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re: Oppenheimer | Official Reaction Thread | Spoilers
Posted on 7/25/23 at 9:17 am to TotesMcGotes
Posted on 7/25/23 at 9:17 am to TotesMcGotes
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FFS. Just watch anything without having to filter it through your political persecution complex. You’ll be happier for it, I assure you.
Buddy, you can keep on the goggles, but the people who make these movies don't. They're very deliberate in how they portray their stories. Your take is like saying artists just draw things for no reason at all. That's not even remotely true.
I'll keep repeating this until people, like yourself, finally end the charade where you act like Hollywood has no ulterior agenda written into their stories.
With that being said, as I said, it wasn't subversive in its left leaning portrayal. Nolan clearly wrote Oppenheimer as a sympathetic figure that was railroaded by a right-wing politician with an axe to grind, and other scientists like Edward Teller, who became more aligned with the Republican side.
I even heard an interview with the cast where the interviewer explicitly states to Nolan/Downey/Damon/Blount that it's "conservative military" vs "liberal scientists".
I didn't even see it as that divisive, but thats how the Hollywood crowd sees it. You have to understand how religiously political the entertainment industry is.
There would never be an equivalent mention of a republican politician like the Kennedy mention.
Can you imagine any mention of Ronald Reagan in a favorable light?
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 9:17 am to RollTide1987
Saw this last night. Writing this without having read many reviews or this thread.
Really enjoyed the dialogue, writing, and great performances by Murphy, Downey Jr. and the rest of the cast. Could see Robert getting the best supporting nod for sure. Murphy after losing all that weight reminded me of Ed Harris who would’ve been ideal for the role 20 years ago.
I’ll give the movie a B+ for the performances alone.
Deducting some since i think we could’ve used more Los Alamos and less DC hearings. I get that the paranoid time in our country was integral to the man’s story but it added unneeded drag to the movie. Overall I’m glad the public at large knows more about Oppenheimer as legendary scientists are too often studied but not understood as relatable people.
Really enjoyed the dialogue, writing, and great performances by Murphy, Downey Jr. and the rest of the cast. Could see Robert getting the best supporting nod for sure. Murphy after losing all that weight reminded me of Ed Harris who would’ve been ideal for the role 20 years ago.
I’ll give the movie a B+ for the performances alone.
Deducting some since i think we could’ve used more Los Alamos and less DC hearings. I get that the paranoid time in our country was integral to the man’s story but it added unneeded drag to the movie. Overall I’m glad the public at large knows more about Oppenheimer as legendary scientists are too often studied but not understood as relatable people.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 9:51 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Imagine this movie 30-45 minutes shorter.
What would you cut?
Posted on 7/25/23 at 10:03 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Imagine this movie 30-45 minutes shorter.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:07 am to tiggerthetooth
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With that being said, as I said, it wasn't subversive in its left leaning portrayal. Nolan clearly wrote Oppenheimer as a sympathetic figure that was railroaded by a right-wing politician with an axe to grind, and other scientists like Edward Teller, who became more aligned with the Republican side.
well… that’s what happened.
if anything Nolan downplayed how liberal Oppenheimer might have been and he cast the whole issue with Strauss as more personal than political. he embarrassed Strauss and Strauss was going to get him.
it was between that and the fact he was pushing against bombs while working for people who were making bombs.
i’ve seen varying accounts of Oppenheimer ranging from the one we see in the movie, that he wasn’t a marxist and was just a left leaning American who didn’t hate communist to him being a full on communist at some point.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:05 pm to The Pirate King
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Did anyone go into this movie wanting to see dirty Washington politics and an administrative clearance hearing?
Not necessarily but I enjoyed that part of the movie. Very interesting.
We saw it last night. It was great. Cillian solidified himself as one of the best in the biz. Just an incredible performance by him. And one of the RDJ's best performances. I thought that Damon did a commendable job as well. The entire cast really killed it.
I loved the shots of New Mexico. Makes me want to take a trip out there.
I liked that they didn't get into the weeds too much on the physics aspect. Most of that stuff is too technical for the layman to comprehend, so it made total sense. Most people already get the gist of how an atom bomb works, and what they had to accomplish scientifically for it to be successful. No need to get all into equations and quantum theories. The quips made towards mathematics were funny.
Oppenheimer tried to balance his moral quandaries, profession, politics, loyalties, and patriotism to the point where he was perceived to be an enigma, which made higher-ups uncomfortable. Too honest to navigate the political realm effectively. I thought that the movie did a great job of conveying that. Einstein's ending talk was spot on. Great way to wrap up the movie.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:45 pm to GetCocky11
Some scenes dragged on a good bit.
I’d have to rewatch to see i guess.
I’d have to rewatch to see i guess.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 4:27 pm to RollTide1987
Were the terms “Russians” and “Soviets” really as interchangeable at the time as they made it seem in the movie?
I felt like the first time they used “Soviets” was well over an hour into the movie
I felt like the first time they used “Soviets” was well over an hour into the movie
Posted on 7/25/23 at 6:58 pm to RollTide1987
Is this movie worth seeing in IMAX, or is it fine to see in digital?
Posted on 7/25/23 at 7:21 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Oppenheimer tried to balance his moral quandaries, profession, politics, loyalties, and patriotism to the point where he was perceived to be an enigma, which made made higher-ups uncomfortable. Too honest to navigate the political realm effectively. I thought that the movie did a great job of conveying that. Einstein's ending talk was spot on. Great way to wrap up the movie.
Your whole review is really good
The movie was spectacular
The cast was brilliant (nice to see Hartnett with such a big role)
Hearing the score during the movie was amazing!!
The silence during the practice bomb was my favorite part.
Would like to see it again
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 7:28 pm
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 10:16 pm to STigers
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Would like to see it again
Yes. With captions
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:26 pm to RollTide1987
Just got out. Cinematography was amazing. Acting was stellar. It is a biopic, so there isn’t a lot of liberty to be taken with regard to storytelling aka more akin to Dunkirk than Interstellar. Sounds like some expected a more dramatic story.
I get why some think it dragged in spots, but I think Oppenheimer’s legacy is the bomb just as it his attempts (foolish attempts) to convince those who would never agree to put the genie back in the bottle. It’s both universal and unique and played out with the most high stakes consequences. I’m glad we got those attempts in the context of Strauss as opposed to him just white knighting around the world.
I get why some think it dragged in spots, but I think Oppenheimer’s legacy is the bomb just as it his attempts (foolish attempts) to convince those who would never agree to put the genie back in the bottle. It’s both universal and unique and played out with the most high stakes consequences. I’m glad we got those attempts in the context of Strauss as opposed to him just white knighting around the world.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:08 am to Larry
This movie sounds like an almost 3 hour long documentary. I do not want to see this. Nolan movies are hit and miss with me.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:11 am to sqerty
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This movie sounds like an almost 3 hour long documentary.
i've popped my head in here a few times and that's what i'm starting to think as well.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 1:44 am to BluegrassBelle
Just saw in 70mm IMAX. Had to go at 11:10 on a weekday but so worth it.
Absolutely incredible
Absolutely incredible
Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:10 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
quote:I didn’t know anything about oppy/straus and I feel like you have to be a complete idiot to not understand what was going on enough to enjoy the movie. They give you enough during the entirety of the film to at minimum understand that a lot of people didn’t like Oppenheimer/his ties and that straus was clearly being interrogated for his confirmation.
I thought the movie was a confusing mess for anyone that went to watch it without knowing the story about Oppenheimer and Strauss
I’m usually a person with a short attention span but my God I loved this movie. Maybe it’s because I enjoy history and physics/chemistry so it was best of both worlds for me. Nolan did great in breaking down almost all the complexities of Oppenheimer as a person and what happened to him. I came in knowing very little about him outside his involvement in Manhattan and even then I guess didn’t fully grasp just how involved he was (overseeing basically every detail).
I also love that there’s no political agenda. Feel this could’ve turned into a “poor persecuted commies” puff piece easily but it really toed the line of telling the story without going one way or another.
I don’t understand how anyone can complain about this being too long. I felt the entirety of it was needed to get the story across the way Nolan intended. Also don’t understand complaints about the sound mixing. I was almost worried this was going to be another tenant from some of the comments I’ve seen in various places but had no struggles at all understanding anything happening. The way this movie was put together to leave you hanging on the edge of your seat, especially during the testing, while knowing full well what was going to happen is pretty awesome.
Only slight complaint is I would’ve enjoyed more science talk but also completely understand why they couldn’t go that route and felt not having it didn’t really take away anything. I’m just a nerd that likes that stuff.
9.6/10 phenomenal movie.
On a historical note how fricking nuts is it they blew that up with even that slight possibility it could kill everyone and end the world.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:53 am to Larry
I feel like Oppenheimer will be nominated for the most Oscars of any film this year but will fail to win Best Picture. It's a great film but I don't think it has the broad appeal it needs to carry it over the top. As of right now, I see nominations in the following categories:
Picture
Directing
Lead Actor
Supporting Actor
Adapted Screenplay
Film Editing
Cinematography
Score
Production Design
Visual Effects
Sound
That's 11 Academy Award nominations though I could see Emily Blunt sneaking into Supporting Actress to make it an even 12.
Picture
Directing
Lead Actor
Supporting Actor
Adapted Screenplay
Film Editing
Cinematography
Score
Production Design
Visual Effects
Sound
That's 11 Academy Award nominations though I could see Emily Blunt sneaking into Supporting Actress to make it an even 12.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 7:56 am
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:04 am to RollTide1987
I assume Killers of the Flower Moon will be a strong contender, but it’s probably way to early to think about chances of winning.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:06 am to ohiovol
There's always a "wtf" movie that'll show up at the Oscars (the deaf person movie or everything, everywhere as examples)
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:42 am to RollTide1987
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I feel like Oppenheimer will be nominated for the most Oscars of any film this year but will fail to win Best Picture.
we're talking about a Nolan film here. he'll be lucky to be nominated no matter how good his film is.
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