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re: Older war movies, which is your favorite?

Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:21 pm to
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:21 pm to
The best WWII movie you've never heard of:



An American airman is dropped into occupied France to assassinate a resistance agent suspected of being a Nazi spy. But he learns that dropping bombs on anonymous specks below is a lot easier than killing a man one-on-one...




Orders To Kill was directed by Anthony Asquith (the son of a former British prime minister), who specialized in filming hit plays by veddy British, veddy genteel playwrights like Terence Rattigan. OTK is definitely the odd man out in his filmography. There is a montage sequence here that is by far the most cinematic thing I've ever seen in an Asquith film.

The film's tough atmosphere must have originated with writer Donald Downes. Wikipedia: "The film was based on an original story by Downes. He was an important OSS officer involved in numerous operations during the war, according to histories of the era."





The lead, a young Canadian actor named Paul Massie (who FWIW ended up teaching acting at the Univ of Central Florida) is OK. The acting honors go to an actress previously unknown to me named Irene Worth, as Massie's French contact. Apparently she was an American who worked mostly on the British stage -- here she is extraordinarily affecting as a resistance agent who is trying to fight against a vicious enemy while retaining her humanity.



Orders To Kill went virtually unseen for decades, but is now available on DVD. If you look hard enough, it can also be streamed online (that's how I saw it). Anyone interested in war films should definitely check it out.
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:25 pm to
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:29 pm to


Combat was an hour-long drama series that ran on ABC from 1962-7. It's sort of the original Band of Brothers. Created by screenwriter and war film specialist Robert Pirosh (Oscar winner for Battleground), Combat follows an infantry squad after D-Day as they go through France.



Top-notch writing and innovative production, including frequent use of handheld cameras to simulate actual battle footage, give it a grittiness seldom seen in network TV before or since. The late, great Vic Morrow stars as the tough, no-nonsense Sergeant Saunders.



A few notable episodes:

"The Glory Among Men" -- One of my favorite episodes. The most hated member of the squad is wounded and trapped out in the open. But the Germans don't finish him off -- instead they leave him alive, hoping to draw out the Americans to rescue him. Should the squad risk their lives for someone they despise?

"Anatomy of a Patrol" -- Trying to get a wounded pilot and valuable reconnaissance film back to HQ, Saunders must match wits with a German sergeant every bit as shrewd as he is. The sergeant is played by a very young James Caan, who speaks some rather impressive German.



"The Bridge At Chalons" -- The squad must guard a surly demolitions expert while he blows a key bridge. The guest star is no less than the great Lee Marvin.

"The Enemy" w/guest star Robert Duvall. Duvall's German accent isn't so hot (though it's better than his English one in The 7% Solution) but otherwise he gives a subtle performance as a demolitions expert who has booby-trapped an entire town in advance of the American army taking it. He is captured by Lt. Hanley (Rick Jason) and forced to defuse the bombs he's planted, resulting in a nerve-racking game of cat and mouse, with script and direction taking every possible advantage of the suspenseful premise.



"Survival" -- Directed by Robert Altman, and another of my favorites. Wounded in a fire and separated from the squad, Saunders wanders through enemy territory in a daze. Virtually half the footage has no dialogue, and Altman employs some unorthodox camera angles (shooting into the sun) previously unheard of in TV.

Posted by Aeolian Vocalion
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:34 pm to
Speaking of British war films, one heck of a film is "Went the Day Well?" (1942). Not a soldier/combat tale, but a fantastical tale of a Nazi invasion of a little British town. A real must-see, with some real shocking scenes.

Never saw "Orders to Kill," though. But I do like Anthony Asquith's "Underground" (1928) a great deal. Not a war film, though.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:44 pm to
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I do like Anthony Asquith's "Underground" (1928) a great deal
I remember reading about a semipro short AA made around that time, but I forgot the title... Its supposed to be more cinematic than his usual drawing room comedies
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:48 pm to
Just the fact they used 10s of thousands of Soviet soldiers as extras makes it look so much better than modern CGI fests.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:55 pm to
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a fantastical tale of a Nazi invasion of a little British town
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It Happened Here (also known as It Happened Here: The Story of Hitler's England) is a 1964 British black-and-white war film written, produced and directed by Kevin Brownlow [Yes, Kevin Brownlow, the great silent film historian] and Andrew Mollo, who began work on the film as teenagers. The film's largely amateur and independent production took some eight years, using volunteer actors with some support from professional filmmakers.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:56 pm to
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the fact they used 10s of thousands of Soviet soldiers as extras makes it look so much better than modern CGI fests.
Ever seen the Soviet War & Peace?
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:25 am to
Nope
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:50 am to
Well... You should
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 6:01 am to
A few that slap for me:

All Quiet on the Western Front
The Sands of Iwo Jima
Sink the Bismarck
The Longest Day
Tora! Tora! Tora!
Patton
Waterloo
Kelly's Heroes
A Bridge Too Far

Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 6:27 am to
Starship Troopers.
Posted by LSUDonMCO
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:04 am to
Sands of Iwo Jima

"God Bless the Duke!"
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:08 am to
Sands of Iwo Jima


Twelve O'clock High
Posted by TheFonz
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:47 am to
Man there are a lot of great ones made from the mid-50's through the mid-70's. Off the top of my head, I'll watch anytime, anywhere:

The Longest Day
Tora Tora Tora
The Great Escape
A Bridge too Far
Patton
Battle of Britain
Attack!
Kelly's Heroes
The Big Red One
The Dirty Dozen
To Hell and Back
Where Eagles Dare
The Guns of Navarone
In Harm's Way
The Devil's Brigade
Is Paris Burning?
The Gallant Hours
Casablanca
Judgement at Nuremberg
The Desert Fox
Twelve O'Clock High
Mosquito Squadron
The Enemy Below
The Eagle Has Landed

There are a lot more. Some I enjoy for the historical story; some for pure entertainment.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 7:52 am
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:25 am to
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the original Midway (1976)
One of my favorite movies of any genre.
Posted by OlGrandad
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:35 am to
The great escape.
Posted by Mouth
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:57 am to
Platoon is almost 40 years old now. I need to watch it again. been some years.
Posted by Telecaster
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 11:11 am to
Posted by BRich
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 11:43 am to
A good basic war movie based on a true story that I first saw in my late teens and loved (and still enjoy) is Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo (1944), about the Doolittle raid during WWII:



Won an Oscar (for Best Special Effects)

Another great old war movie, but more dramatic, less action-oriented is The Caine Mutiny(1954):
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 11:45 am
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