re: Official Zack Snyder’s Justice League Discussion Thread **NOW STREAMING**

That 4 hours flew by. What an incredible improvement over the Whedon version. We deserve more of this cast together. And holy smokes was Leto's Joker night and day better than the Suicide Squad turd. Studios need to learn their lesson to stay out of the freaking way.

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My question is, and sorry if it's already been asked/answered, but why would Martian Manhunter need to go see Lois?

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I couldn't figure out anything to do with Martian Manhunter in this movie. I couldn't figure out why he pretended to be Martha Kent to see her or why he waited until after the events to show himself to Wayne.

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So curious as to how Steppenwolf betrayed Darkseid and if it isn’t explained in the movie, maybe some DC fans know from the comics

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I think it was more of being a failure, than true betrayal. At least that's how I took it, but yeah that wasn't hashed out clearly.

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My question is, and sorry if it's already been asked/answered, but why would Martian Manhunter need to go see Lois

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Zack explained this during the press tour. Basically, Martian Manhunter stays out of the fight because he wants the humans to figure it out for themselves. In Zack’s mind, he manipulates Lois and Clark to do their best and wants humanity to do it themselves.

But he provides assistance as he can along the way—we see this when he helps Lois in Man of Steel on the park bench, etc.

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Why did superman attack everyone?

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He wakes up grumpy.

I agree to a point. That reach around line was pretty cringey and apparently that was an improv from Leto.

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Why did superman attack everyone? I didn't watch superman v batman.

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if you're serious, perhaps you should go watch it. but the reason is in the title.

Darkseid uses the anti life equation.

That’s why Lois is the key.

My bad, thought it was reference the nightmare future.

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Just made it to the football scene. How did the Wisconsin Badgers football team get in this movie? Zack couldn’t come up with some other fake DC team? He had to go out and get a real one?

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Remember, the Waterboy's team played Kansas.

It gives the viewer a little reality overlay, and maybe sets up location more. It was late season, so maybe in B1G country (maybe even B1G member?). And Wisky is "good", so it sets Victor up as an athlete. You do it against a MAC team and you're just playing scrubs. You do what he did against Wisky, you're a Heisman finalist.

Gripes:
someone mentioned the music. I watched it with my son, and we agreed too. I was thinking it was a bit too melodramatic, but didn't say anything... and then my son brought it up near the end too. Marvel does a far better job of that, it fits and isn't heavy-handed. This got way too obviously emo at times with the tunes, would have been better had they scaled that back.

Ratio- so it was 4:3. Someone said they wanted an IMAX release, so I guess that's why? It didn't really make sense for a direct-to-TV project, but maybe that's the only way they could salvage some of the shots. It didn't bother me that much.

Story- I liked it better, overall. It was about as "different" as it could be, and still be the same footage. As I mentioned to my son, it does go to show that raw footage does not equal a finished movie.

Pros: I greatly preferred the Amazons, the Atlantis/Aquaman story, and Steppenwolf in this version. You got a sense that a full Amazon legion would have defended the box, but couldn't get there in time. In the Whedon version, it was just a massacre.

Atlantis setup with Mera flowed into the Aquaman story a lot better.

I appreciate that Steppenwolf never said "MOTHER" once , that was absolutely cringeworthy in the other release.

The Flash moment at the end got a little too techno-gobblely-asian, but I guess it worked. We'd have picked that apart more if this was the only release. I think they needed to polish it up some more.

It erased most of the humor from the movie, which I think helped. It could have used a little here and there, but not to the level Whedon went. And the final battle was way more entertaining, instead of Whedon's Power Ranger version.

The heavy hint that Darkseid is still coming (ala Thanos) is good, but I fear we're not going to get the payoff. The inclusion of the "other superhero" is also good.

And, oh yeah- I also liked the flashback to the old battle a lot better.

It was nice and democratic (non-political sense of the word) that the Amazons, Atlanteans etc were involved, but the Old Gods (Olympians) had that shite handled. Zeus and Ares alone took care of Steppenwolf and Darkseid, I guess they needed the mortals just to deal with the parademon army.