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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread

Posted on 4/27/19 at 2:38 am to
Posted by WicKed WayZ
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 2:38 am to
It doesn’t really matter. People who think about shite like that need to get themselves a girl


It’s a time travel movie. Every time travel movie has holes.
Posted by la_birdman
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 2:41 am to
Come on, man. You have to be fair here.

I've been a fan of Iron Man since I was about 4 years old. I'm 46 now and appreciate others, and respect them.

Finding a girl, I'm assuming you're suggesting someone at my age or even the kids that feel sorrow for what happened in the movie, makes them all pansies?

To me, it shows that the movie connects to the audience emotionally. People relate with losses they have experienced in their own lives, to someone they deeply loved and cared about.



Everyone has their favorite superhero from when they were kids. That's what makes it fun. Isn't that why you went to see it?


Not trying to be a jerk but just because people cry or tear up at a movie doesn't mean they're weak or in need of getting laid.
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 3:04 am
Posted by xenythx
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 3:44 am to
Just got out - Enjoyed it and thought it gave satisfactory closure, but I think I built up these iconic moments and scenes in my head that personally didn’t pay off the way I hoped.

I imagine that battle scene cost a shite ton of money to create but I was hoping to see a little more in the way of all the heroes working together.
Posted by LewDawg
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 5:27 am to
Why are you posting pictures of melted ice cream?
Posted by BranchDawg
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:01 am to
I definitely think Infinity War is better than Endgame. The only thing that keeps Endgame close is the final battle, which is, again, one of the greatest things I’ve ever watched in a theater.

I watched WhatCulture’s review afterwards and I think one of their guys nailed it: your enjoyment of Endgame will be perfectly parallel to your enjoyment and investment in the rest of the MCU. If you love the MCU, you’re going to love everything that happens in the final hour, if you hate the MCU, you’re going to be annoyed at all of it.

Infinity War is the better piece of film and Endgame is meant to be that grand firework finale. Personally, I was satisfied with that and had a hell of a good time last night.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:11 am to
The tesseract was in shield’s possession at that point. That was the military base that Cap became Cap at. They needed to get both the space stone and more pym particles at the same time so they went back to the 70s and that was before Tony was born and that was when Pym was still with shield. He had discovered/created the pym particles but was still working on the suit.

Them going further back for the tessaract immediately nullified Loki ever taking the cube. There’s no story to tell because it never happens despite us seeing that.

Not really calling you out with this but I’m noticing a lot of people asking basic plot questions, did y’all not pay attention at all to the movie or not listen or just not process it? It wasn’t really that complicated, but some of y’all are acting like it’s season 2 of Westworld in here.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:15 am to
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When Loki took the cube tesseract and vanished, how did it end up in NJ? I've seen most of the movies but I may have missed a detail in one of the stand alone Captain America movies.

Can anyone help me understand that part?



Tony and Cap travelled back further in time. They were in 2012 with Loki, but once they lost the space stone they travelled back further (1970) to get the space stone and more Pym particles.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:17 am to
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Let him do his thing in Guardians of the Galaxy and then have his own adventure, maybe come across Silver Surfer or something.


Sets up perfectly to introduce Beta Ray Bill and expand the cosmic entities.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:23 am to
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This is probably a stupid question, but is he as strong as "normal" Hulk?


No. Professor Hulk retains Banner’s brain at the cost of some of regular Hulk’s strength.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:28 am to
Couple of additional things about the movie:

The gay guy at the support group is played by Joe Russo. Jim Starling was the older bald gentleman at the same meeting. He wrote the original Infinity Guantlet comic.

The town that New Asgard was built in/beside was Tonsberg which is where Red Skull gets the Tessaract from in CA:TFA. Odin left it there back in like 1096 after whipping some Frost Giant arse.
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:32 am to
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It’s a time travel movie. Every time travel movie has holes.


That’s why a lot of people didn’t want it in the plot at all. It breaks worlds like the “death” of Superman.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:40 am to
I really enjoyed the first 3/4th of it but I didn’t like a lot of the decisions made after Thanos attacks Avengers HQ.

-The Hawkeye “I’m going to kill myself” Black Widow “No, I’M going to kill myself” back and forth went on a little too long.

-Cap shouldn’t be able to wield the hammer

-Tony shouldn’t be able to build something that can harness the power of the stones, nor use it himself (even if it did kill him)

-Girl power scene took me out the movie. They did the same kind of thing in Infinity War but there it felt way less forced.

-I didn’t like that they turned Thanos into just another “I’m going to kill everything” bad guy, really sullies the character IMO

-couldn’t they have skipped yet another CGI battle slog fest? This one was particularly messy because it was in the dark and felt not nearly as well done or paced as the IW version.



Everything else I liked. Loki grabbing the tesseract then disappearing + Thanos sending 2014 Nebula back were true oh shite moments.
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 7:42 am
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:49 am to
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The Hawkeye “I’m going to kill myself” Black Widow “No, I’M going to kill myself” back and forth went on a little too long.


Given their relationship I was ok with this.

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Cap shouldn’t be able to wield the hammer


He did in the comics and showed that he was almost capable in AoU

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Tony shouldn’t be able to build something that can harness the power of the stones, nor use it himself (even if it did kill him)


This was a bit of stretch, but there is no telling what he learned in 5 years.

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Girl power scene took me out the movie. They did the same kind of thing in Infinity War but there it felt way less forced.


Yes. Way too forced. I laughed at this. It didn’t take away from the movie for me, but wasn’t organic by any means.

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I didn’t like that they turned Thanos into just another “I’m going to kill everything” bad guy, really sullies the character IMO


Hadn’t thought about it like this. Though, Thanos was in love with death (Death), so it isn’t out of the realm for him to want to kill all.

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couldn’t they have skipped yet another CGI battle slog fest? This one was particularly messy because it was in the dark and felt not nearly as well done or paced as the IW version.


I liked it because it gave all the good guys a chance to unleash their powers. When Ant-Man punches the leviathan I lost it. Kill mode from the Iron Spider armor, etc.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:50 am to
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Cap shouldn’t be able to wield the hammer


bullshite.

Who ever is worthy can wield it (including Vision in AOE).

Cap moved it in AOE and I believe could have picked it up but pretended he couldn't.

Cap wields it in the comics.
Posted by BranchDawg
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:51 am to
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Cap shouldn’t be able to wield the hammer


Disagree. Age of Ultron clearly established that Thor is not the only one who can wield Mjolnir. Cap nearly lifted it then and Vision carried it around for the entire second half of that movie.

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Tony shouldn’t be able to build something that can harness the power of the stones, nor use it himself (even if it did kill him)


Why not? So he can navigate time, but he can’t build something that can hold the stones for 10 seconds?

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couldn’t they have skipped yet another CGI battle slog fest?


No, that was amazing and I want to watch it again and again and again and again and again. I can understand problems with the first two hours of the movie, but that final sequence was a pure spectacle and felt earned by the franchise and deserved by the fans. I would’ve felt disappointed if we hadn’t gotten an “everybody vs Thanos” clash.
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 7:52 am
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 8:00 am to
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Given their relationship I was ok with this.


I loved the setup it was just a little too much back and forth.

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He did in the comics and showed that he was almost capable in AoU


Why wasn’t he worthy in AoU but he is now?

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Hadn’t thought about it like this. Though, Thanos was in love with death (Death), so it isn’t out of the realm for him to want to kill all.


It’s not, I just loved how they developed Thanos in IW and feel like they walked a lot of that back and made him more of a generic bad guy who’s just destroy destroy destroy.
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 8:01 am to
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I watched WhatCulture’s review afterwards and I think one of their guys nailed it: your enjoyment of Endgame will be perfectly parallel to your enjoyment and investment in the rest of the MCU. If you love the MCU, you’re going to love everything that happens in the final hour, if you hate the MCU, you’re going to be annoyed at all of it.


I agree. This is really about wrapping up the series and doing some fan service. I can't imagine enjoying the movie if you don't know all of the callbacks and references to previous movies, and it doesn't really stand on its own.

They really threw the kitchen sink in this one. It's a bit choppy and disjointed because they're trying to cram in so many characters and references that they don't spend as much time on plot development.
Posted by LewDawg
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 8:03 am to
See, that’s why I think Cap had the ability in AOU but that fricker is THAT wholesome to not show up Thor he just wiggles it a bit.
Posted by BranchDawg
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 8:06 am to
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See, that’s why I think Cap had the ability in AOU but that fricker is THAT wholesome to not show up Thor he just wiggles it a bit.


Looking back, I think that’s absolutely what happened.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 8:13 am to
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Right lol. That shite was so forced. Didn’t take away from the movie tho.
not at all movie was bad arse.
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