re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread

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fan service is the opposite of fun.

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There was a good bit of fan service, but I also think that much of the fan service wasn’t recognizable. You’d have to be more engaged in the Marvel universe (comics, movies, tv shows) to pick up on a lot of it. For the average moviegoer, it was a fun, comedic, emotional film.

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What do those dwarves do up there that’s so special anyway???

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Help Contain the power of the stones.

I doubt the hulk would have had as much of an issue simply wearing the glove with the dwarf version

Tony was dying just holding it, no snap required.

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If there has EVER been a time for fan service, it’s the final battles of Endgame. It was perfectly timed and as a result it was incredibly satisfying.

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I would like a deleted scene of captain trying to return the soul stone.

“YOU?!”

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I would like a deleted scene of captain trying to return the soul stone.

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How about Cap trying to figure out how to fly a spaceship to return either that one or the one stolen from Starlord?

I feel like we really gloss over how difficult returning most of these stones would be. Didn't ruin the movie for me at all, but laughing at how challenging this task actually could be.

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Again, I think he absolutely could have and chose not to

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Mental gymnastics

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No more rediculous than Thanos or Hulk using them.

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Tony is a human being with no super powers. Surely you can see the difference.

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And Tony and Thanos and the Black Order. Weak argument.

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I mean in the actual fighting

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Meh. That’s how business is done these days. There was plenty of CGI in Infinity War and nobody complained. Also, Thanos has been entirely CGI for two movies, so now seems like an odd time to take issue with it.

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I’m not talking about characters being cgi. Again you’re being obtuse. There’s good cgi and there’s bad cgi. It worked for IW because:

1) There were ongoing layers to what was happening, such as Black Panther ordering them to open the gate. It gave the scene more narrative propulsion than just trying to sneak the gauntlet across the battlefield.

2) They cut back and forth between Wakanda and Titan. A straight up fight between Thanos and 6 characters is a LOT less of a mess and you got a bunch of one on ones. Jamming every character onto the screen at the same time just because you can leads to the mess we got.

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Again disagree.

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Well, okay. I’ve just seen my fill of movies with the bad guy just after ultimate power or to destroy everything and everyone. Thanos was different, well he was different until this movie.

I think people complaining about continuity issues and consistency throughout the MCU are validating this movie as the greatest comic book movie of all time.

My thinking here is that no other movie has accurately captured the feeling of a Comic Book Universe like this one has.

Those big splash pages of everyone fighting one villain was finally brought to the big screen.

In the same vein, they have pretty well translated all the flaws as well.

The plot holes, the inconsistencies that exist from moment to moment.

Hell, I liked the goofy arse time travel because it’s a Comic Book movie and comic books do that stupid shite all the time.

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Thanos was different, well he was different until this movie.

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I think part of the reason Thanos was different was that he was a "less tempered"/"wise" Thanos. This version hadn't gone through the work to collect/find the stones, he was just starting that journey.

The Thanos that did all of the work died early on. The Thanos we see later was one who basically saw his future life via Nebula. So he was more impulsive and less thoughtful.

That also makes him decide to just kill everything if he can, and since he saw himself defeated (albeit after victory) I suspect that triggered the vengeful emotion we saw.

He was different, that's my opinion as to why.

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If Cap couldn’t weild the hammer in AoU he shouldn’t be able to now.

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Theory is that he wasn't worthy yet because he knew Bucky killed Tony's parents and said nothing

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Tony being able to use the stones is also ridiculous, even if it did kill him. Did you see Guardians 1?

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Yeah when they held it in their hands and not in a guatlent

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yet the whole battle scene was just another mindless cgifest

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God forbid a comic book movie show a massive battle scene involving all the characters from the past 21 films

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only characters that die are the nameless/faceless evil drones

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Well besides Tony but sure whatever

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oh and on top of that we’ve taken our interesting & layered villain and turned him into a rich man’s Steppenwolf.

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Oh yeah what a dumb decision for him to try and kill the people that were going to reverse the snap. Clearly out of character for him.

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Mental gymnastics

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Then explain why that scene in AoU played out the way it did. You saying that there’s zero way he could’ve lifted the hammer is no less unfounded.

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Tony is a human being with no super powers.

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Thanos doesn’t have super powers. He’s just a big burly insanely skilled alien. He only had “powers” when he held the stones.

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I mean in the actual fighting

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Fair enough, but it still resulted in impactful deaths. That just seems like semantics.

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I’m not talking about characters being cgi. Again you’re being obtuse

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You can call me obtuse, but you’re doing the exact same thing by saying that Black Panther asking the gate to be opened is a “tactical purpose”, but trying to maneuver the gauntlet wasn’t. It was absolutely tactical, just with a hell of a lot more fighting going on around it.

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Jamming every character onto the screen at the same time just because you can leads to the mess we got.

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Of course it was a mess. Sex and all-you-can-eat buffets are also messes. Messes don’t have to be bad if they carry weight.

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Thanos was different, well he was different until this movie.

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That’s my point. Thanos was the exact same character he was in Infinity War, but the universe rejecting his victory and fighting back revealed that he was only ever principled in validating himself. He did not care about anyone else.

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Tony being able to use the stones is also ridiculous, even if it did kill him. Did you see Guardians 1?

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Guardians 1 established that "normals" couldn't hold the "power stone" (purple) in their hands. The Tesseract didn't like red skull so ported him away. The Aether was in Jane Foster, so we know that at least can be carried. The others are unclear.