re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread

No. He closed opened doors they needed to open to accomplish their goal before they opened them.

Each team opened a door with alternate timelines, he went back and changed them to how they were before they changed. He was a human reset button.

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Each team opened a door with alternate timelines, he went back and changed them to how they were before they changed. He was a human reset button.

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Wouldn’t cap have to return the stones to a time AFTER they were taken by the Time traveling avengers?

He could return them right after the time heists happen

Did the sorcerer supreme not explain that if they go back in time to get the stones, and then succeed in the future, they’ll need to go back and return them at the exact same time they borrowed them and it means they stay in one timeline and there is no alternate universes, especially since Tony did not want a different universe.

Am I reading into that wrong or does no one remember that?


Also, if Cap returned the soul stone, doesn’t it mean “a soul for a soul”, so he could have brought back Black Widow?

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they’ll need to go back and return them at the exact same time they borrowed them and it means they stay in one timeline and there is no alternate universes, especially since Tony did not want a different universe.

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How could they return the time stone in New York If they never got it?

Thor is absolutely not done. Considering hulk has developed so much through ragnarok and IW there seems to be renewed interest in him so maybe we will get another hulk movie besides the one marvel wants us to forger about

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He could return them right after the time heists happen

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That would mean the “hail hydra” stuff did happen

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Hulk and Thor are definitely not done

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That makes a lot more sense then and explains why they didn't close the arcs. For some reason I thought all of the original avenger's contracts were up.

Just got out. Lots to digest, but here’s what I like and didn’t like:

Liked:

-Everything about the final battles. Goddamn, that was a masterpiece. Cap holding Mjolnir was absolutely incredible and the entire cast coming in was the most pumped I’ve been in a movie theater in a long time. It might be the most purely enjoyable 20 minutes of movie I’ve seen in a while.
-Tony’s death was very well executed. Ending his 11-year arc on “I am Iron Man” was very well done.
-Revisiting The Avengers, Guradians 1 and The Dark World was a very fun way to have them retrieve the stones.
-Josh Brolin once again turns in an A+ performance. Every line he delivers feels like it has weight behind it in a way no other character in this movie does, and I can’t tell if that’s the writing or just Brolin’s menace.
-I’m glad they actually kept some permanent deaths (Loki, Vision, Black Widow, Stark). That maintains some weight to the events of the two movies.

Didn’t like:

-The time travel thing is clearly messy, but any movie that deals with time travel is going to be. I felt like the lines that were done to explain it were done very quickly to cover their tracks, but I need to watch it again to try to figure out if it actually makes sense or not.
-I really like Professor Hulk, but I hate that we didn’t get to actually see that transformation. Hulk was clearly a separate consciousness who was battling with Banner and he’s just...gone now? That idea was good in concept but poor in execution.
-I totally buy Thor letting himself go after the events of Infinity War, but I have a harder time believing that he would just up and leave the New Asgard. He’s fought for them for how many years, and now he’s just gonna say bye and hang out with, what are to him, just some random space dudes? That was the only character resolution I didn’t like.

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How could they return the time stone in New York If they never got it?

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But they DID get it, the Ancient One gave it up after Bruce said Strange gave it to Thanos. She doesn't understand the logic of that, but she trusts in Strange's judgement.

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I really like Professor Hulk, but I hate that we didn’t get to actually see that transformation. Hulk was clearly a separate consciousness who was battling with Banner and he’s just...gone now? That idea was good in concept but poor in execution.

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I see it the other way, Hulk is always Banner, but a huge, strong, dumb brute with no control over his emotions. He's a raging simpleton, that's why he's ready to go off after taking the stairs (dumb stairs!). He has the mental development of a really pissy 2 year old, both intellectually and emotionally.
Banner finally came to understand and embrace the Hulk issue, and corrected it so he keeps the Hulk's physical power, but also Banner's genius.

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That would mean the “hail hydra” stuff did happen

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Yeah, and it actually sort of sets up his joining with Rumlow (Crossbones) and his team.
Rumlow's a grunt, he's not going to sit down and discuss things with Sec. Pierce. He assumes Cap is on his side but laying low for now (like the rest of Hydra). That relaxes him, and they work well together on missions.

Also fuels that revenge motive we see later- he feels betrayed by Cap, instead of just caught in the fallout of the battle.
Like he said in the original elevator scene, "nothing personal"... he's just a soldier. Which made his vendetta a bit off. But you add in the perceived betrayal, and that makes more sense.