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re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*

Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:33 pm to
Posted by Polar Bear
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:33 pm to
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Wasn't like there wasn't a time crunch for Gotham.



Just to add to this, we do actually know how long it took for Bruce to get from the prison back to Gotham - about 3 weeks.

The special forces agents were led to Miranda and Fox, and were told that the reactor's fuel cells were degrading, and that it would actually detonate on its own in about 22 days. Shortly thereafter, Bain and a few agents storm the place, kill the special agents, and hangs them on the bridge. Bruce sees this on TV in the prison, throws a rock at the TV out of anger and frustration, and escapes shortly after.

When he meets up with Selenna in Gotham, they have about 12-14 hours until the reactor explodes.
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 1:36 pm
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:33 pm to
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He lowered the rope to let them escape.


Where did you see that in the film again? He threw the rope back in the hole. What was it tied to? Where was the celebratory response from the prisoners realizing they were free as well? Why not SHOW 2 seconds of the prisoners grabbing the rope and climbing out? Why SHOW Wayne in such a way that he is abandoning them?

Is this another one of those poor editing jobs that will be glossed over?
Posted by CGB Spender
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:34 pm to
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Avengers has a ton of exciting characters and wow moments


You just lost all credibility.
Posted by Siderophore
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:35 pm to
I think Ra's death was more of an "murder" than Tahlia.

He left knowing it would kill Ra's.

He was simply trying to stop/change path of the truck, he didn't force it specifically over the railing, nor was it done to specifically kill her.
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:36 pm to
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Where did you see that in the film again? He threw the rope back in the hole. What was it tied to?


I'll have to look again but I thought that was a rope to lower supplies that was anchored at the top. He had no rope on him.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:37 pm to
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He went out of the way not to kill the Joker multiple times as well as Ra's Al Ghul yet he finally killed Tahlia by shooting her truck.


Ra's Al Ghul = Destroys train and intentionally leaves him there - aka murder
Harvey Dent = let's him die
Tahlia - shot her, killed her.

Maybe it's a very loosely interpreted rule?
Posted by Scoob
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:37 pm to
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So how is everybody interpreting the ending?


He lives. Alfred sees Selina with Bruce at the cafe. If it were a dream, how would he have known that they had a thing going on? Also, if you believe Bruce is dead, then you have to believe that Alfred, the most likeable and innocent character in the whole movie, will live out his life alone and miserable because he believes that he failed the Waynes. I don't think Nolan intended that future for Alfred.

There also would be absolutely, positively no point in the "Bruce Wayne fixed the auto-pilot 6 monthes ago, Mr Fox" scene, either.

It would have been a little better, maybe, to have Alfred in that cafe at the end, he makes eye contact with the camera and smiles, and then the camera stays on Alfred but pulls back to show:
Selina, at the table across from the camera, and then maybe a hand coming from offscreen (1st person view) to raise a glass in toast to Alfred. Then cut to credit.
Posted by Siderophore
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:37 pm to
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Where did you see that in the film again? He threw the rope back in the hole. What was it tied to?


He threw the coiled rope back in that was on the surface.

Are you forgetting that in the last ascent, he had no rope? What he threw down was a separate rope that was used to haul down prisoners and supplies.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:40 pm to
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What he threw down was a separate rope that was used to haul down prisoners and supplies.


The editing made it look as though he pulled that rope out of the satchel he was carrying over his back, never showed it being anchored.

It looks like: "hey I made it out...hey you guys down there...yeah you...screw you...screw you all". Then he drops the rope.
Posted by CGB Spender
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:44 pm to
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This was Nolan's cop out line which was more of an indictment on him for lazy writing.


I get not liking this movie. In fact I Don't know how I feel about it.

But nothing, absolutely nothing in this film is "lazy"
Posted by KingWebbsticles
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:44 pm to
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He went out of the way not to kill the Joker multiple times as well as Ra's Al Ghul yet he finally killed Tahlia by shooting her truck.




Meh... he didn't directly shoot her truck and kill her. He shot AT her truck trying to make her turn and she eventually drove it off the overpass. So while Batman wasn't helping circumstances, he didn't kill her.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:46 pm to
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He lives. Alfred sees Selina with Bruce at the cafe. If it were a dream, how would he have known that they had a thing going on? Also, if you believe Bruce is dead, then you have to believe that Alfred, the most likeable and innocent character in the whole movie, will live out his life alone and miserable because he believes that he failed the Waynes. I don't think Nolan intended that future for Alfred.


I got that. Didn't think that was even a debate.

That didn't answer any of my question.
Posted by Tom288
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:46 pm to
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Where did you see that in the film again? He threw the rope back in the hole. What was it tied to?


He didn't use a rope to climb out, so you have to infer that the rope at the top was anchored to something and he was tossing it down so that they could finally get out.
Posted by Siderophore
Member since Nov 2010
3338 posts
Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:47 pm to
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The editing made it look as though he pulled that rope out of the satchel he was carrying over his back, never showed it being anchored.


No it didn't.

It was there when he first got out.

And it was prob about 20 times the total size of the pack he had.

You are really reaching just because you weren't spoonfed it. You don't have to be overt to be clear.
Posted by KingWebbsticles
Athens, GA
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:47 pm to
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The editing made it look as though he pulled that rope out of the satchel he was carrying over his back, never showed it being anchored.



It was a HUGE arse rope. There is no way he could have been carrying it. It was a giant rope.
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:47 pm to
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Maybe it's a very loosely interpreted rule?


So why did he go out of his way to make sure his Bat-Pod didn't crash into the Joker?
Posted by CGB Spender
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
874 posts
Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

Ra's Al Ghul = Destroys train and intentionally leaves him there - aka murder
Harvey Dent = let's him die
Tahlia - shot her, killed her.

Maybe it's a very loosely interpreted rule


It was the murderous dent or an innocent ten year old boy
It was talia or 7 million people and he ran her truck off to get the nuke. He did not do it with the intent of killing her

And as for Ra's, he kind of broke his rule. He just wouldn't risk his own life to save a man who would probably try and kill them both in mid flight or while grappling
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
22770 posts
Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:49 pm to
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But nothing, absolutely nothing in this film is "lazy"


Not showing how Bruce got back into Gotham is kinda lazy. Bane's death was such a letdown that some could consider it lazy.
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:50 pm to
Also, anyone think that the rope the inmates used to secure themselves was intentionally too short to get them out? Maybe ya'll have already discussed this. But each missed jump looked like the person simply got caught by his safety line in midair. That's why only someone who could conquer their own fear could actually escape.
Posted by Siderophore
Member since Nov 2010
3338 posts
Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:50 pm to
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The special forces agents were led to Miranda and Fox, and were told that the reactor's fuel cells were degrading, and that it would actually detonate on its own in about 22 days. Shortly thereafter, Bain and a few agents storm the place, kill the special agents, and hangs them on the bridge. Bruce sees this on TV in the prison, throws a rock at the TV out of anger and frustration, and escapes shortly after.


Isn't there a gap that makes it ambigious?

He didn't go straight from the rock to figuring it out.

Could have been more failed attempts off screen.
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