re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*

After a day to process this movie-
most memorable acting was done by Hathaway as Catwoman. She surprised me.

So many things were off or disappointing- even the random details; it seemed like they just didn't really care about nailing things.

Point (and I accept that this is nit-picky, but I'm a sports fan):
Gotham is a city of 12 million, or the equivalent of New York. Bane chooses to make his epic appearance at....
a minor league football game? Ok, I get that you don't have a real NFL team as such, due to copyrights and trademarks, and fictional locations. But the opponent is from where, Rapid City Iowa or somewhere like that? Couldn't they at least choose a large metro, say, L.A?
And what is worse, the stadium appeared barely 1/3 full. Entire upper bowl was basically empty.
Yet the mayor is in his suite, and it's where Bane chose to make his big splash. So it WAS supposed to be "NFL" I take it.
So use a little CGI to fill the stadium. They could have done that easily; and if anyone had given a crap, it would've been pointed out early in production.

Another thing, a "minor little detail"... again, Gotham has 12 million people and looks a lot like NY City. And they send 3 thousand cops into the sewer and get trapped... their whole police force, right?
Take a second and google NYPD... the lowest numbers I can find is greater than TEN TIMES that number, and there is some concern published online that the 34 thousand strong force is TOO SMALL for the city.
3,000 cops for 12 million people= 1 cop for every 4 thousand citizens; so maybe that's why the city has some crime issues . Although, it's stated they have a handle on things now (which to me implies Gotham's populace is FAR MORE law-abiding and peaceful than anything in reality; and thus shouldn't be the disaster the League of Shadows wants so badly to destroy).

Little details, I know; but wasn't this current Batman run supposed to be "gritty and realistic"?

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most memorable acting was done by Hathaway as Catwoman. She surprised me.

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The more I think about it I was expecting her to do bad which she didn't but at the same time her character wasn't anything special you know.

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Just so I'm clear - your idea involves Bruce climbing to the platform, then for the large guy at the bottom to climb the rope to the platform, and then for him to lower Bruce and swing him onto the higher platform?


are you trolling?

The supply rope (food, water)

Rope attached at the top of pit, 2 ropes are hanging down, one gets tied to batman, the other for whatever reason is held by some Asian guy so that if you fall, you don't fall all the way to the ground and die.

Like rock climbing you can swing from ledge to ledge , as long as someone's holding your slack. But with 40-50 people down in the pit, they could easily just hoist each other up. If there was no pulley system, then why did someone have to hold the other end of the rope?

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Watching the movie, I had a couple of questions about the escape from the pit. Sure didn't seem to be anything other than "scout's honor" stopping you from either hoisting people up as implied, or for that matter, securing the rope and climbing it. Bruce didn't have any opposition once he got to the top. So in a lot of ways, the whole concept of climbing out was pretty goofy and doesn't pass the smell-test.

Additionally, couldn't they pan around a bit and show us why you HAD to keep jumping towards the ledge? Sure, it's the only way out... but after falling 1-2 times, I'm gonna look to my LEFT (camera's right), just to see if there's another way. 3 second camera pan, show us there's only one way out. Wouldn't cost much, or lengthen the movie... but would satisfy ME at least, who was thinking "might wanna try another direction this time"

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And why was Gordon, an old man recovering from a GSW, the one tasked with the direct assault of the nuke trucks?

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It had been almost six months since he got shot.

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And the film mentions several times how Bruce no longer "pays attention to the details

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This was Nolan's cop out line which was more of an indictment on him for lazy writing.

RollTide will have an excuse for every detail so I wouldn't even bother

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or do you mean how none of the prisoners thought to use the rope pulley to hoist each other up....or at least to swing to the ledge of death?

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Couldn't stop thinking this: you have rope, when you get to the leap:

1. Untie rope, pull it up
2. Throw it over the far ledge to make a pulley.
3. Tie small guy, pull him up to the far ledge
4. Small guy then climbs out and drops rope from the top and everyone escapes
5. Profit

Also, dick move by Wayne throwing the whole rope back into the prison when he escaped...dick move indeed

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most memorable acting was done by Hathaway as Catwoman. She surprised me.


The more I think about it I was expecting her to do bad which she didn't but at the same time her character wasn't anything special you know.

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Yeah. Nothing award-winning... but in my opinion, she was the best of the lot. I wanted to slap Alfred and put him on some anti-depressants after awhile. Batman/Bruce was pretty meh, and his reaction to getting stabbed (? wasn't the batsuit supposed to stop knives? It was at first, and since he liked going hand-to-hand so much you'd figure he would have kept it that way) was just... weird. I actually wanted Catwoman to tell Mister Save-The-City to suck it up.

Heck, in the Avengers, Thor's own step-brother stabs him in the same place, Thor reacts in pain, then jack-slams him. A bit more fitting a reaction than Batman trying not to break into tears.

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Also, dick move by Wayne throwing the whole rope back into the prison when he escaped...dick move indeed

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lol I never thought about it but did he just toss the rope back and say screw all those other people?