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re: Observations on GOT final season and ending (having watched it this weekend).
Posted on 8/14/22 at 1:20 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 8/14/22 at 1:20 pm to OMLandshark
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Faegon
As for me... I believe.
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:55 pm to Lawyered
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I was browsing the HBO schedule yesterday and saw it was on and recorded the final season
Debating on watching it again or not
I watched S7 a couple weeks ago and it wasn’t near as bad as I remember. It was actually pretty damn good outside of the time jumps with everybody flying across the continent in a matter of hours.
This post was edited on 8/14/22 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:58 pm to CocomoLSU
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was actually pretty damn good outside of the time jumps with everybody flying across the continent in a matter of hours.
The jet packing was wild. Varys was everywhere
Posted on 8/14/22 at 4:11 pm to LuckySo-n-So
Posted on 8/14/22 at 4:31 pm to CocomoLSU
First half of seven was ok. Second half is the joker.
However, there were much more plot holes in seven than before
However, there were much more plot holes in seven than before
Posted on 8/14/22 at 5:19 pm to prplhze2000
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First half of seven was ok. Second half is the joker.
I’m speaking more about the second half actually. I don’t remember where I started watching, but it was basically around halfway through. And it was really good.
Littlefinger’s demise was maybe a little too choreographed, but it was still good. Dany attacking the KL army. Jorah returning to Dany. Tyrion with his brother and sister. All the stuff north of the wall, especially the Night King resurrecting the dragon. Finding out about Jon’s true heritage. Olenna/Jaime poison scene. Sansa’s rise. Multiple Starks finally being back in Winterfell. The meeting with Cersei to show her the wight walker. Etc. There’s tons of good shite in that season. shite, it ends with the blue-eyed dragon blowing a giant hole in the wall and “winter” finally befalling main lands.
Say what you want about the show, but there are still a ton of great things that happened in S7. Plus it was the main time when various storylines FINALLY converted and characters we wanted to see together for so long finally got together in the same scenes.
I was surprised with how much I enjoyed watching it the other day and was pleased with how good it was. Now, I haven’t gone back and watched S8 again yet, so I can’t speak for that. But I remember there being some really good parts of S8 too (battle at Winterfell, Hound/Mountain, etc).
It just ends so weirdly and several things just felt either way too forced or way too silly (like Dany mad queen, Brand as king, Jaime’s turn back to Cersei, etc).
Posted on 8/14/22 at 5:24 pm to CocomoLSU
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Littlefinger’s demise was maybe a little too choreographed, but it was still good.
Arya killing Littlefinger is bullshite. Sansa should personally kill him. Slit his throat with the Valyrian Steel dagger behind him like Littlefinger did Ned and when he thinks he’s at his height of power. He went out like a whimpering little bitch when Littlefinger should go out quite defiant.
This how Littlefinger should have gone out. First he should have turned the Men of the Vale against Jon when the Boltons fate was secured and abducted Sansa from there. Season 7 would focus on Littlefinger trying to kill Jon and the remaining Starks to make Sansa’s claim to the North secure. When the Walkers attack in Season 8, Tyrion would come in with the Unsullied on Rhaegal to make the Walkers retreat. He demands Littlefinger’s surrender with Sansa’s army being rightly his being her husband, but Littlefinger refuses.
Tyrion flies into Winterfell on Rhaegal seeking to kill Littlefinger, but Littlefinger manages to flee into the crypts. Tyrion follows him, and is ambushed in the crypts by Littlefinger and gravely injures Tyrion. Littlefinger then slowly starts to taunt and walk towards Tyrion as he backs away, and Littlefinger taunts him with everything he’s done. As Littlefinger goes in for the kill the Valyrian Steel dagger goes across his throat from behind and Sansa kills him. He falls to his knees, looks at his surroundings and realizes he’s at the foot of Ned Starks tomb, and attempts a laugh before dropping dead.
That is basically verbatim how Littlefinger should have died. Also this prophecy is from the books:
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dreamt of a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair, venom dripping from their fangs...
And later I dreamt that maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow."
Arya does not meet this criteria. Sansa does though, and House Baelish’s sigel is the Titan of Braavos and not Littlefinger’s personal sigel of the mockingbird. The show got the weapon and location (roughly, I think he’s killed in the crypts) right, but completely failed in Sansa actually killing him.
This post was edited on 8/14/22 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 8/14/22 at 6:32 pm to OMLandshark
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No, because then Cersei gets her way in the end.
I hated Jamie returning to Cersei. Just completely through away this arc that had been building. That being said, this is one of the few endings that actually makes sense. No matter how terrible of person she, no matter how selfish, no matter how evil she is... Jamie just truly can't let her go. Even after being with a good (albeit ugly) woman. I hated his ending, but it is fitting that they came into the earth together, they leave together.
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. The Unsullied should have killed Jon
Well Sansa should have had the North kill all of them and freed her brother. Because who gives a shite what grew worm wants? He's irrelevant and undermanned, there's no way he should have had a say how Jon Snow's story ends. Ridiculous.
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with Jon riding north of the Wall
Dumbest punishment ever.
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Yeah, but I would have preferred for the Hound to kill the Mountain with a flaming sword.
I actually like him sacrificing himself in the fire better. That was a very good end to their story.
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Jon was never going to willingly sit in the Iron Throne.
What does that matter? He was willing to kill Dany, he would have sat on the throne.
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Unfortunately, I can see GRRM making Bran king in the end. Him blowing himself as storytellers being the most important members of society seems like something this narcissist may write. I’m going to tell you though, he better have something better than this in the books
He's all but said that that is not the ending. Of the million incredibly stupid things that happened in the last season, or last episode for that matter, this was the worst. I could rant for an hour, but yes, let's let Tyrion, who should also be in jail and not even allowed to speak make a 5 minute spill deciding who should be king. A disabled zombie. A guy that TWO EPISODES EARLIER didn't even want to be called Bran anymore, now wants to be king. The 8 season journey he was on was completely useless. "Why do you think I came all this way?" O stfu you came all this way because someone pushed you jackass. Good lord I get mad just thinking about it. GRRM is slow as hell, but he's a great writer. There's no way that's his ending.
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Honestly Bronn becoming the Lord of Highgarden and the Master of Coin might be the dumbest fricking thing on the show. Bronn is illiterate for starters, and just keeps getting dumber from there.
Tyrion: Hey Jon, I'm going to talk to you into killing Dany. You have to do it. It's the right thing to do. When you do, im going to pick the next king, let them banish you, they are going to immediately forgot I had any role in this, I'll become the new hand and I'll live happily ever after. Make sure to pack your coat, you're going beyond the wall that is now torn down so it makes zero sense that anybody would willingly live there. But go live there with the people who worked their entire life trying to get on this side of the wall, they'll willingly go back. Later!
Posted on 8/14/22 at 6:40 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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He's all but said that that is not the ending
Yeah, because everyone is shitting all over it. The book fans don’t hate that the story ends with Dany burning King’s Landing, simply the execution of it. We actually appreciate he’s trying to create a Scouring of the Shire as its end, but Dumb and Dumber couldn’t have done it any worse.
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Tyrion: Hey Jon, I'm going to talk to you into killing Dany. You have to do it. It's the right thing to do. When you do, im going to pick the next king, let them banish you, they are going to immediately forgot I had any role in this, I'll become the new hand and I'll live happily ever after. Make sure to pack your coat, you're going beyond the wall that is now torn down so it makes zero sense that anybody would willingly live there. But go live there with the people who worked their entire life trying to get on this side of the wall, they'll willingly go back. Later!
Yeah, the ending was unbelievably stupid.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 7:08 pm to LuckySo-n-So
It went off the rails long before the final season
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:40 pm to LuckySo-n-So
quote:I pretty much agree with the OP...
1. I’m ok with Arya killing the Night King
2. Jaime had to die with Cersei.
3. The Unsullied should have killed Jon.
4. The Hound and The Mountain had to die fighting each other.
5. Jon had to kill Dany.
6. Jon was never going to willingly sit in the Iron Throne.
7. No opinion one way or the other on Bran The Broken as King. About as exciting as Edmure Tully.
8. Drogon took Dany to Asshai where she was brought back to life by a Red Priestess.
This is an outline for what happens. The execution of making it happen is where the show fails; but each of those points as a bullet, it makes perfect sense.
Arya killing the Night King, she was groomed to become the perfect killer. I might want to SEE Jon kill him (the obvious choice), but if my own life depended on sending any one character out to kill anyone, including the Night King- Jaqen H'ghar is my first choice. Arya, his chosen protege, is next.
Points 2 through 6, that is the direction this tale was tragically going to go. 3 (Unsullied killing Jon) is by far the most logical action that didn't occur. They are loyal to the death, but don't avenge Dany... that really doesn't fit them.
quote:Should be the epilogue to the final book. Would have been the ultimate teaser in an end-credit scene. The resurrection has been shown, once with Jon, shite-ton of times with Beric. We know the Red Priestesses can do it, and we know that's where Drogon went. We know the Red Priestesses showed interest in her before.
8. Drogon took Dany to Asshai where she was brought back to life by a Red Priestess.
quote:Could be seen as the biggest whiff/WTF in the show, or in TV.
7. No opinion one way or the other on Bran The Broken as King. About as exciting as Edmure Tully.
On a more existential level, you could say the various Gods all wrestled, and there were winners and losers.
The Seven (New Gods) lost. Lost the Sept, lost control of the Seven Kingdoms.
The God of Death won, as Arya returned the Undead to him (from the Night King's control), taking them from one of the Old God's pawns.
The Red God, for all the magic they showed, made an impression but lost (restoring Dany would alter that).
The Old Gods had a mixed result. Lost control of the dead back to Death, but their other pawn (Three Eyed Raven) sits on the throne. Also, the North is now free again.
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