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re: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Disney+) - Episode 6 Discussion Thread
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:51 am to Scoob
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:51 am to Scoob
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hey are a bit vague and heavy-handed with it, but the overall plan, I believe, is that Palpatine is the one that must be defeated, and Anakin is the only one able to do so. Mace failed, Yoda failed. Obi Wan can't do it. Luke never stood a chance.
Don't buy this. Obi-Wan is still obviously distraught as to how Anakin went to the dark side to begin with ("You were the chosen one, you were supposed to destroy the Sith not join them"). If only Anakin can do it then why did Obi-Wan just kick his arse?
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:54 am to dirtsandwich
Meh to outright bad show that did things to the lore that I am not happy with. Like I'm not sure if I am going to watch any more Disney Star Wars content after this TBH.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:57 am to ForeverEllisHugh
The scenes with Obiwan and Vader are good except Obi Wan defeating him. The problem is that leading up to this and during this entire show, you can’t go one scene without Reva showing up and ruining the story. I’m wanting to watch Vader interact with Obi Wan or see him searching himself, and you have Reva shoehorned in as the focus of his story so she can be developed and have a woke spin-off.
She was involved in nearly every one of Vader’s scenes in the show
Vader is one of my favorite characters and the reason Star Wars is so good, but I wasn’t excited at all during his scenes like I was at the end of Rogue One. They ruined the brand
She was involved in nearly every one of Vader’s scenes in the show
Vader is one of my favorite characters and the reason Star Wars is so good, but I wasn’t excited at all during his scenes like I was at the end of Rogue One. They ruined the brand
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:27 am to Proximo
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you can’t go one scene without Reva showing up and ruining the story. I’m wanting to watch Vader interact with Obi Wan or see him searching himself, and you have Reva shoehorned in
Agreed. Although remember in ROTJ when you were glued to what was happening in the throne room they kept cutting to both the space battle and those damn Ewoks.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:53 am to Proximo
Overall, I was disappointed in the series, but felt the last episode redeemed what I thought was a lost cause. After watching all of it, I think that much like Rouge One was filmed entirely to fill in the plot hole of the Death Star's weakness, this one was to fill the plot hole of Obi Wan lying to Luke about his father. By Anakin stating "'You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did." it shifts the "blame" from Obi Wan to Anakin/Vader and reaffirms what Obi Wan told Luke in a New Hope.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:02 am to dirtsandwich
I haven't watched the last 2 episodes. The show is not even worth making fun of.
When even Soros-owned, far left Vice.com won't shill out for them, you know it's FUBAR.
Make 'Star Wars' Weird Again
When even Soros-owned, far left Vice.com won't shill out for them, you know it's FUBAR.
Make 'Star Wars' Weird Again
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Shows like Disney's 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' are missing the point of George Lucas's fantastically peculiar universe.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:24 am to blueboy
The Obi-Wan we saw in the last episode is the Obi-Wan we should have seen the entire series. The Reva character was so bad, it was laughable. The last scene between Darth and ObiWan was really good. The entire story should have just revolved around ObiWan and Darth. All the other characters were superficial to their story. Obi-Wan the Jedi Master is a bad arse and they showed that finally.
All-in-all, it was not great, but it was also not as bad as people keep saying. Look, you just have to give up on Disney making any kind of effort for continuity in their series. They hire lazy CW writers that know nothing about these characters or the universe in which they live. Literally, QuiGon should not be able to appear as a force ghost per the other Disney cannot material.
I know they are trying really hard to retcon Luke's importance to the story out and make it all about Leia, but in the end, it was Luke in the throne room with Palp and Vader. It was Luke who defeated the evil, not Leia. They can try all they want, but unless they declare the OT non cannon, its just not going to happen and will always be a source of friction between Disney and the fans of Star Wars.
All-in-all, it was not great, but it was also not as bad as people keep saying. Look, you just have to give up on Disney making any kind of effort for continuity in their series. They hire lazy CW writers that know nothing about these characters or the universe in which they live. Literally, QuiGon should not be able to appear as a force ghost per the other Disney cannot material.
I know they are trying really hard to retcon Luke's importance to the story out and make it all about Leia, but in the end, it was Luke in the throne room with Palp and Vader. It was Luke who defeated the evil, not Leia. They can try all they want, but unless they declare the OT non cannon, its just not going to happen and will always be a source of friction between Disney and the fans of Star Wars.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:26 am to blueboy
One major issue I have is the way they handled Luke in this show as well. He was retconned out of being the hero of the saga and replaced by Leia, for what? Oh the force is female.
They leave the entire fate of the Skywalker saga in Reva’s hands. Instead of Obi Wan protecting Luke, he leaves him to die on Tattooine. Reva is given the narrative ability to choose whether the former hero of the show lives or dies, potentially altering the entire timeline. It’s fricking stupid. She should not have been that important to this IP.
Can anyone explain why Reva, being the youngling who was pretending to be evil to get to Vader, actually killed someone earlier in the show?
And why was she trying to kill Luke AFTER she was impaled by Vader? Isn’t she supposed to be a good guy in disguise? It makes no sense.
Not to mention I almost had a seizure with how shaky the camera was when she enters the courtyard area of their house and has the blaster fight
They leave the entire fate of the Skywalker saga in Reva’s hands. Instead of Obi Wan protecting Luke, he leaves him to die on Tattooine. Reva is given the narrative ability to choose whether the former hero of the show lives or dies, potentially altering the entire timeline. It’s fricking stupid. She should not have been that important to this IP.
Can anyone explain why Reva, being the youngling who was pretending to be evil to get to Vader, actually killed someone earlier in the show?
And why was she trying to kill Luke AFTER she was impaled by Vader? Isn’t she supposed to be a good guy in disguise? It makes no sense.
Not to mention I almost had a seizure with how shaky the camera was when she enters the courtyard area of their house and has the blaster fight
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 8:38 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:34 am to SEClint
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obiwan was lower mid tier in the force..not on the level of a Yoda
I wonder how much of that is considered actually canon, though? NOBODY was on Yoda’s level but Obi Wan was still considered a top tier Jedi during the Clone Wars. A step down from Yoda, Windu and Anakin but he was more than capable as a swordsman and with the Force.
But Jedi have shown to grow stronger both as swordsmen and in their connection with the Force the older they get. Maybe this is Obi Wan just gaining more power while also showing that Vader is still more powerful than him, that it’s just not a good matchup for Vader because of the mental edge Obi Wan will ALWAYS have over him
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:46 am to Proximo
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Can anyone explain why Reva, being the youngling who was pretending to be evil to get to Vader, actually killed someone earlier in the show?
And why was she trying to kill Luke AFTER she was impaled by Vader? Isn’t she supposed to be a good guy in disguise? It makes no sense
Felt the same way after watching tbe last episode. Why Was that necessary? Why shoot at that gate for several minutes when she could have cut it with her saber? If Vader caught one ship and slammed it down why not do that to the one that got away? Several things throughout this short series that didnt make sense.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:59 am to Proximo
quote:We couldn't figure out how she knew Luke was Vader's son (all from that short message from Jimmy Smitts?)
And why was she trying to kill Luke AFTER she was impaled by Vader? Isn’t she supposed to be a good guy in disguise? It makes no sense.
And Reva's turn from the dark to the light was in direct conflict with Obi Wan's realization that Darth could never do the same. I thought maybe they could salvage Reva's storyline by her being the reason that Obi Wan had hope for Anakin, but within minutes we see Obi Wan give up on Darth and then have complete faith in Reva.
Anyway, the best thing in the series was the scene with Darth/Anakin with half of his helmet gone, and his pained voiced being a mix of Christensen and James Earl Jones. That worked well.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:03 am to Lonnie Utah
Loved the show, loved the last two episodes. It feels to me like it explains everything that needed it.
I want season 2 really bad with more of a Maul focus. Wow
loved the voice cutting between anakin and darth after the mask got hit. loved the eyes going from blue to red, loved that Obi won again leaves anakin destroyed and on his own.
and yeah Obi destroys him, but only because he trained him. because he is but the master. the theme there was brilliant.
I want season 2 really bad with more of a Maul focus. Wow
loved the voice cutting between anakin and darth after the mask got hit. loved the eyes going from blue to red, loved that Obi won again leaves anakin destroyed and on his own.
and yeah Obi destroys him, but only because he trained him. because he is but the master. the theme there was brilliant.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:03 am to dirtsandwich
The final Vader/Obi Wan fight was good. Though I thought him flashing back to all the good times he and Leia had, which gave him the power of the force, was kind of dumb.
What was the point of the Third Sister? No climactic battle between her and Vader or Kenobi. Just an attempted murder she couldn't follow through on, and that was it.
What was the point of the Third Sister? No climactic battle between her and Vader or Kenobi. Just an attempted murder she couldn't follow through on, and that was it.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:05 am to cgrand
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1) pursue a broken down cargo ship with a star destroyer, but only shoot at it with small arms. No tractor beam, no tie fighters, no destruction
2) then, decide to turn the whole fricking ship around to chase one guy in an escape pod. THEN, when it heads for a planet, decide it’s time to “ready my ship”. Dude, you could have readied your ship as soon as you saw the pod, AND left the star destroyer to DESTROY the cargo ship.
I will not say they series was perfect because it was far from it. I will likely never watch it again... but I do think that there are some things to take from this.
I too thought similarly to you. I think that they were developing Anakin/Vader with the choices they made.
Vader was obsessed with Kenobi... Obsessed in a way that it clouded his vision and his ability to make sound decisions. In that moment nothing else mattered but being able to destroy Kenobi.
Could they have blasted the cargo ship out of the sky and went about their business? sure.... But again I think it speaks to the obsession that Vader had with Kenobi. He didn't want to destroy him with the ships blasters. He wanted to see Kenobi Suffer. He wanted to show him that he is more powerful now. He wanted to show him that despite him being "abandoned" he grew stronger than Kenobi could ever imagine.
What we see is that like always Anakin/Vader has immense power, but continues to struggle with being able to control his emotions. Which just as it did in the prequels, made him weak and easy to manipulate.
Anakin/Vader has always been "passionate" even to a fault. It's what makes him such a great character and a GOAT antagonist.
In the end we see Anakin/Vader fail again, not because he is weaker than Obi Wan, but because he is not a calm, cool, and collected as Obi-Wan.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:06 am to Proximo
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One major issue I have is the way they handled Luke in this show as well. He was retconned out of being the hero of the saga and replaced by Leia, for what? Oh the force is female.
I dont think this is it at all. Luke's story in this season wasnt needed. He was doing chores and growing up. What we did get is why Owen is so negative about Ben, and we get why Leia is the way she is later. Also why she reaches out to Ben. Season two could be more of Luke, and a maul focus
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:10 am to Fewer Kilometers
My favorite dunce scene is at the very end when Obi-wan comes IN PERSON and OUT IN THE OPEN to meet Leia again just to tell her they have to be careful and not get caught so they won’t see each other for a while
I’m like “hey bitch, you’re literally meeting with her immediately after she was kidnapped and brought home, shouldn’t you be concerned you’d be caught THEN as the empire would surely have sent people to watch Leia now that the Grand Inquisitor is alive and knows she has a connection with Obiwan that draws him out of hiding?”
Who writes these dumbass scenes?
I’m like “hey bitch, you’re literally meeting with her immediately after she was kidnapped and brought home, shouldn’t you be concerned you’d be caught THEN as the empire would surely have sent people to watch Leia now that the Grand Inquisitor is alive and knows she has a connection with Obiwan that draws him out of hiding?”
Who writes these dumbass scenes?
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 9:14 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:10 am to Proximo
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And why was she trying to kill Luke AFTER she was impaled by Vader? Isn’t she supposed to be a good guy in disguise? It makes no sense.
The only thing I could come up with is that she felt that killing Luke would be some form of "justice." When Owen asks what she wants, or why she is there, she answers with the word justice.
Maybe she thinks that Obi Wan failed her twice. Failed to protect her and the other younglings in the Jedi Temple and again failed to help her in her fight with Vader. So in order to get justice for his failing to help her, she is going to make sure he fails in his mission to protect the child.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:13 am to PJinAtl
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The only thing I could come up with is that she felt that killing Luke would be some form of "justice."
We are supposed to believe Reva figured out Luke is Vader’s son and she was going to kill him to prevent him from turning out like his father…her last way to protect/avenge the kids
Making it “poetic” when she chooses not to be Anakin herself
The problem is threefold
1. She finds Luke by randomly landing on a PLANET and asking for a farmer named Owen
2. she has no way of knowing who Luke is
3. It’s retarded
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 9:15 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:28 am to theunknownknight
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I really can’t get over Kenobi beating Vader and walking away.
It was stupid the way this show was written.
Obi-Wan says it before he goes fight him that one of them is going to die. Why say that and then don't follow through with it? Just stupid writing.
What should have happened is as someone else mentioned already about Anakin and family, carefully wording their conversation and having Obi-Wan realize that the only way to defeat the Sith, is to turn Anakin back to the light, and the only way to do that is with Luke and/or Leia.
No one can defeat the emperor but Anakin. Yoda realizes this, and Obi-Wan does as well, so it makes no sense to kill Vader when he's the only one capable of taking Palpatine out. That's why Obi-Wan shouldn't kill him. That is the reality of the situation, yet none of that was portrayed in this show.
This episode was ok, but overall this was just a horrible execution of a show that had potential to be the best of Star Wars.
The dialogue between Anakin and Obi-Wan was lacking severely, and i really wasn't wowed by their fight. Their dialogue throughout this show should have been the most important part of the show. There should have been more hashed out between them on the how and why of what happened, and what is to become. I did think it was pretty awesome how Anakin/Darth voice changed when talking with the mask cut in half. There was also a perfect opportunity for Anakin to yell down to Obi-Wan, "i have the high ground", and for cocky Obi-Wan to shout back at him something about not getting his legs chopped off the last time an opponent had the high ground on him, referring to Darth Maul, or something about cutting the last person in half that had the high ground on him. The prequels showed the bad arse and cocky Obi-Wan, yet at no point did we ever get those snarky cocky remarks from him in here. I get it, he was down on himself early on, but by the end of the show, lets see him return to his normal ways a little bit. We got to see Obi-Wan still be the master to keep the line from a New Hope in tact, but it just wasn't done well at all.
Reva turned out to be an ok character, and i can see where i'd like to know more about her now. But that's only b/c she knows the biggest frickin secret in the galaxy and has to keep her mouth shut about it, and i don't understand why Obi-Wan would trust her with that. She's still a terrible actor. I don't care what color she is, she sucks at acting and was written terribly.
And i have no idea why she thought she was supposed to kill Luke, or why she's even fricking alive after being lightsaber punched in the gut and for some dumb reason left to live by Vader. SO you tried to kill the most powerful person in the galaxy and you think if you kill his unknown son that's going to get you back in his graces?
The show was full of bad actors, and the terrible writing did them no faors.
The Leia Obi-Wan relationship that was made here just makes no sense in conjunction with A New Hope. Leia literally has zero feelings towards him the entire movie. You'd think she'd have a little more care about him considering what they just went through. and trying to tie that up by having Ob-Wan say "don't tell anyone" was just dumb and made no sense.
Leia was written pretty bad, but i did like seeing a young Leia, and i understand what they were trying to do with her showing her strong leadership and fearlessness at a young age, they just executed it poorly.
We saw two people die in this show, and they tried to make both of them dramatic and have the audience care about it, yet there was no reason for us to give a shite about either of them. That was just wasted screen time.
The chase scene lacked common sense, yet just another example of how terrible this show was written.
The music in this show sucked, and that's something that always brings Star Wars to another level. the theme is forgettable at best. When i hear the theme for the Mandalorian and Boba Fett, i get pumped up and ready to watch. finally hearing Vaders theme just felt off, could have been done better.
I don't need a season 2 of this. I'd prefer to just forget this exists just like the sequal trilogy.
Get me back to Mando and Boba.
Andor is going to be great. The showrunner is the same guy from Rogue One.
Ahsoka is going to be great since it's being run by Filoni/Favreau.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:33 am to GamecockUltimate
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I dont think this is it at all. Luke's story in this season wasnt needed. He was doing chores and growing up. What we did get is why Owen is so negative about Ben, and we get why Leia is the way she is later. Also why she reaches out to Ben. Season two could be more of Luke, and a maul focus
I'm saying that primarily because of the knowledge we have regarding how Disney treated Luke and Leia in the Disney trilogy. The focus is on Leia for that same reason
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