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re: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Disney+) - Episode 6 Discussion Thread

Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:55 am to
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:55 am to
I'll be honest, they handled Reva's ending better than I thought they would. I thought she would be made the ultimate hero, but she really wasn't. She ended up a broken but redeemed person with the choice to go whichever direction she wants. I thought it was a good way to wrap up her part of this story.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 8:56 am
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
5322 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:58 am to
It was a good episode and a decent season. My biggest issues mostly have to do with the story fitting into A New Hope. First and foremost, I think prime suit Vader should be more powerful than Obi-Wan and that the only reason OWK’s alive in ANH is because Vader couldn’t find him between Mustafar and the Death Star.

But that aside, Obi-Wan should have killed Vader in this episode. Obviously he couldn’t because of plot armor but he definitely should have under the circumstances.

I have always thought of OWK as the consummate Jedi. Not necessarily the most powerful but the most professional, so to speak, who would do the right thing regardless of his personal feelings. He left Vader/Anakin for dead on Mustafar and he survived. He should have put his personal feelings for Anakin aside and struck him down without any hesitation the second time. Instead, he lets him live to be even more pissed off and terrorize the galaxy indefinitely until they meet again.

He told Vader/Anakin twice “I will do what I must” and didn’t follow through either time. The first time he probably didn’t expect Anakin to survive. The second time his head should have been flying off.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51016 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:02 am to
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But that aside, Obi-Wan should have killed Vader in this episode. Obviously he couldn’t because of plot armor but he definitely should have under the circumstances.

Yeah, this is true. If the OG Trilogy didn't exist, surely he would have. No way he could have let Vader live again. Obviously, it's plot armor, but Obi-wan literally just says "Goodbye Darth" and walks away without saying anything like, "I can't kill you for x reason."
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
75896 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:04 am to
Fantastic end to the show. The last two episodes (especially this one) saved it. They shouldn’t have a season 2. That was a perfect ending
Posted by The Quiet One
Former United States
Member since Oct 2013
12140 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:13 am to
Cool fight. Ripped off Rebels with the Vader mask scene. Saw that coming.

Best episode, but nothing felt earned and little made sense. People just wanted to see OWK v Vader and apparently don’t care how it happens as long as it does; even if it creates a half-dozen more plot holes.
Posted by MasonTiger
Mason, Ohio
Member since Jan 2005
18482 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:14 am to
The finale was what I wanted to see the entire season.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7050 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:20 am to
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Yeah, this is true. If the OG Trilogy didn't exist, surely he would have. No way he could have let Vader live again. Obviously, it's plot armor, but Obi-wan literally just says "Goodbye Darth" and walks away without saying anything like, "I can't kill you for x reason."


That made no sense to me. It should have been a legion of stormtroopers coming in to chase Kenobi off before he could kill Vader. It seems anything but noble or heroic to know your friend is gone, to know what has consumed him is pure evil, and to let that evil continue when you have a chance to end it.
Posted by dirtsandwich
AL
Member since May 2016
6523 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:23 am to
Agreed that him not killing Darth was a real head scratcher.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
75896 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:25 am to
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Agreed that him not killing Darth was a real head scratcher.
Plot armor. It’s really that simple.

Hell, maybe he thought since his breathing was so labored and he had destroyed his life support system he thought he killed him that way. I don’t know
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
30116 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:31 am to
so he literally made the same mistake twice. Way to go Ben.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62765 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:51 am to
quote:

I'll be honest, they handled Reva's ending better than I thought they would. I thought she would be made the ultimate hero, but she really wasn't. She ended up a broken but redeemed person with the choice to go whichever direction she wants. I thought it was a good way to wrap up her part of this story.


Except for the part about how her suddenly getting a conscience NOW, after killing countless children up to this point, makes no sense.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50497 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:59 am to
quote:

Obi-Wan should have killed Vader in this episode. Obviously he couldn’t because of plot armor but he definitely should have under the circumstances.


Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7050 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:00 am to
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Plot armor. It’s really that simple


It could have been written dozens of ways where Vader is soundly defeated but Obi-wan is unable to kill him, like Vader had support, Obi-Wan had to choose between saving someone or killing vader, some geographic feature separates them, some creature attacks, and on and on.

Obi-wan just walking away from what he set out to do knowing that Vader survived their previous encounter when death seemed certain is silly.
Posted by TheNameIsDalton
Huntsville
Member since Mar 2021
1485 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:10 am to
It was a frustrating episode for me because the finale shows how much potential was wasted on this series. The Kenobi/Vader fight scene and the ending dialogue between the two were great, almost restoring their next meeting in A New Hope.

Reva was an eye roll almost every scene but at least they wrapped her up in a decent way.

I'm not sure how Leia wouldn't remember Kenobi when making the message in a New Hope Later on but I guess that's just kind of a minor flaw that's hard to get over.

Overall, I didn't enjoy it and thought there were too many cooks in the kitchen for a series like this one. If you cut out all the needless subplots and characters they shoved down our throats, hey, could've been a decent movie. Instead, we get a below-average show that didn't quite deliver. If you enjoyed it, then more power to you but it didn't really move the needle for me.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:59 am to
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I'm not sure how Leia wouldn't remember Kenobi when making the message in a New Hope Later on


Who says she doesn't.

She asked Obi Wan if she would ever see him again.

This was his response:

quote:

"Maybe, someday. If you ever need help from a tired old man, but we must be careful. No one must know, or it could endanger us both."
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42123 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:04 am to
quote:

I'm not sure how Leia wouldn't remember Kenobi when making the message in a New Hope Later on but I guess that's just kind of a minor flaw that's hard to get over.


There are millions of children who become adults that don't remember people who were in their lives when they were 10. For instance I was run over by a car when I was 10 or 11. You would think with that kind of trauma, I'd remember every detail, every person involved.....But I don't. same thing could possibly apply here.

I thinks its a further stretch that OWK didn't remember being around R2 and C3PO in ANH.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
33543 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:14 am to
I’m still really surprised they had Obi Wan ragdoll Vader at the end. That’s not a diss to Obi Wan. He was def a top 5 Jedi during the Clone Wars, really only surpassed by Yoda, Windu and Anakin

But it was still surprising to see him show off some impressive power and get after Vader’s arse, especially after we see Vader stopping a ship, ripping it apart like it was made of cotton candy and then basically burying Obi Wan in the beginning part of the fight.


Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
13180 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:37 am to
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I’m still really surprised they had Obi Wan ragdoll Vader at the end.


Logically, I can see that, but story-wise, he had to dominate Vader. It was the only way to fit this into Episode IV.
Posted by tigerfan24736
Member since Jun 2021
1278 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:38 am to
Enjoyed the last two episodes and dare I say they redeemed the show. These episodes corrected a lot of the complaints I had with the show:

Restored the actual Grand Inquisitor back to his place

Actually made Reva have a good backstory as a youngling / seeking revenge on Vader. This is way better than her just being some random Inquisitor trying to impress Vader by finding Kenobi

Implied Leia knows Kenobi in a New Hope, but is acting like she has not met him for secrecy reasons as Kenobi says

"Now I am the master" line still works in A New Hope. Anakin calls Kenobi master in the last episode. So the line still holds true. Vader obviously didn't see himself as the master quite yet.

Kenobi vs. Vader was epic. Truly. Vader had his badass moments but so did Obi Wan.

Finally saw Qui Gon force ghost. Wish we could've seen more of him, but I am guessing if they make season 2 we would see a lot more of Qui Gon.

"HELLO THERE!" - that was awesome


This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 2:19 pm
Posted by habz007
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
4833 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:39 am to
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"Maybe, someday. If you ever need help from a tired old man, but we must be careful. No one must know, or it could endanger us both."


I’m satisfied with that scene, and I think it covers up the continuity loophole as cleanly as possible. She knew who he was in ANH, but she was purposely “cryptic” in her message.
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