re: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Disney+) - Episode 3 Discussion thread

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No it’s not. He’s very much a calculated villain in the original films. Not a psychopath.

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I mean the original 3 films. You know the only good films in the whole series.

A few thoughts...

I enjoyed the first three episodes from an entertainment standpoint but not so much from a story standpoint for a few reasons...

1. Frankly, I never imagined OWK's life between Mustafar and the Death Star being adventurous enough to warrant a movie or series. A Star Wars series halfway between ROTS and ANH absolutely should have been centered on Vader. OWK should stay on Tatooine and twiddle his thumbs for 20 years while watching Luke.

2. I don't like Vader and OWK having at least one confrontation between Mustafar and the Death Star. I prefer the Death Star to be their first meeting since Mustafar and that's the impression I get from watching their duel in A New Hope.

3. Hard to believe OWK doesn't know Anakin survived as Darth Vader. I know he was laying low but not that low. Surely he saw some reference through Galactic TV, newspapers, whatever.

4. I don't like that the black chick knows Vader is Anakin. I feel like only Palps, Yoda, and OWK should know for sure, with Tarkin and Owen/Beru maybe knowing.

5. Too much storyline with OWK and Leia. When we watch the hologram of Leia asking for OWK's help in A New Hope we get the impression that she only knows of him from her father. Maybe they met briefly but nothing about that message suggests they had anywhere near as much contact as they have so far in this series.

6. Does anyone else have a hard time getting excited for new Star Wars content due to how badly Disney fricked up the Sequel Trilogy? To me, even good content is like an Alabama fan watching first half highlights of the 2010 Iron Bowl knowing that things turn to shite in the end. Rian Johnson is a dumbass.

Anyway, just my two cents.

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1. Frankly, I never imagined OWK's life between Mustafar and the Death Star being adventurous enough to warrant a movie or series. A Star Wars series halfway between ROTS and ANH absolutely should have been centered on Vader. OWK should stay on Tatooine and twiddle his thumbs for 20 years while watching Luke.

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I would prefer with only 6 six episodes in this series it would have been the years leading up to Luke meeting Obi in the final. Where we see Obi finally take down Darth Maul.

Interesting this Obi seems to have lost his luster to fight but in Rebels as old Ben he has no problem killing Maul who basically took down 3 inquisitors with no problem.

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2. I don't like Vader and OWK having at least one confrontation between Mustafar and the Death Star. I prefer the Death Star to be their first meeting since Mustafar and that's the impression I get from watching their duel in A New Hope.

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I felt the same when they announced Vader would be in it months ago and that they would duel.

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3. Hard to believe OWK doesn't know Anakin survived as Darth Vader. I know he was laying low but not that low. Surely he saw some reference through Galactic TV, newspapers, whatever.

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I think at some point he does but it might not be until later.

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4. I don't like that the black chick knows Vader is Anakin. I feel like only Palps, Yoda, and OWK should know for sure, with Tarkin and Owen/Beru maybe knowing.

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IIRC in the opening episode when Anakin stormed the temple and was killing Jedi including younglings I beleive she was shown as a little girls that was leading other younglings away. Maybe Vader found her as a Youngling and turned her to the dark side.

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5. Too much storyline with OWK and Leia. When we watch the hologram of Leia asking for OWK's help in A New Hope we get the impression that she only knows of him from her father. Maybe they met briefly but nothing about that message suggests they had anywhere near as much contact as they have so far in this series.

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I was waiting for this to be brought up but already to much complaining going on.

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6. Does anyone else have a hard time getting excited for new Star Wars content due to how badly Disney fricked up the Sequel Trilogy?

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Always have hope as Rebels was good and Mando is currently. Fett was not bad but could have been better. Again pick a timeline that showed Fett hunting down Jedi and/or bounty hunting for the Hutts.

We will we on Andor which comes out August 31st and Ashoka I have high expectations for in 2023 after Mando 3 comes out next Feb.

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No it’s not. He’s very much a calculated villain in the original films. Not a psychopath.

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He has no problem killing jedi children..

plus the lore..

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Tell it to Bail Organa.

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oh I agree, he dropped the ball on his end.

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Frankly, I never imagined OWK's life between Mustafar and the Death Star being adventurous enough to warrant a movie or series. A Star Wars series halfway between ROTS and ANH absolutely should have been centered on Vader. OWK should stay on Tatooine and twiddle his thumbs for 20 years while watching Luke.

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Well frick..look what they did with a throwaway line in a text crawl creating Rogue One..surely using Obiwan in a dark, mysterious uncertain time period of the empires power could be interesting.. ..right? lol

The tearing arse Vader in Rogue One would have been nice to see here.

I learned something new that I think I overlooked, or forgot about. I always kinda assumed Vader's left arm was his only remaining limb. Felt like that is why he uses it so dominantly when displaying his use of the force. Guess I remembered it wrong lol

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Hard to believe OWK doesn't know Anakin survived as Darth Vader. I know he was laying low but not that low. Surely he saw some reference through Galactic TV, newspapers, whatever.

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I agree with that, especially if he is keeping tabs. I wish it had been revealed he was in communications with Qui Gon, and he was the one who informed him of Anakin's survival.

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I don't like that the black chick knows Vader is Anakin. I feel like only Palps, Yoda, and OWK should know for sure, with Tarkin and Owen/Beru maybe knowing.

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I agree here too, he basically murders anyone beneath him who has seen his face or knows who he really is. Tarkin knows, but he has a strange respect for Tarkin.

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James Earl Jones sounded terrible in Rogue One. Wish they'd go back and alter the lines.

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I mean the original 3 films. You know the only good films in the whole series.

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the ones where he blew up an entire planet?

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To be fair, that was Tarkin, he just went along with it

I kinda do get the point about Vader being a little 'out of character' randomly killing folks in town.
He's never had qualms about being brutal, but there was always a point to it;
The Jedi younglings... were Jedi. The order needed to be stamped out. That meant every one of them, not just the adults.
Blowing up a planet... he wasn't that impressed with the Death Star, quite frankly. He pointed that out to the admiral in the board room, right before he choked him. But again, it served a point in sending a message to any other would-be troublesome planets. We hear in this show Bail Organa is trying to push for some concessions from the Empire, and there's strong circumstantial evidence Organa was involved in stealing the Death Star plans (or at least in getting them to the Rebellion). Palpatine shut the dissenters up, Vader agreed in theory that "those who know how" should be allowed to run things without opposition. His speech to Padme was that HE knew what was best for everyone, and should be free to do that.
He tortured Han and the gang, purely to draw Luke in. Would just as soon have killed them all off as criminals/traitors (since they were rebels), but he didn't fixate on that. He allowed Boba Fett to take them, thus honoring his end of the deal.

Now maybe, he was simply trying to draw Kenobi out, like the Inquisitors were doing on Tatooine earlier. And maybe the thought of Kenobi put him in a particularly angry mood, to where he would be a bit more randomly violent.

But yeah, the OT kind of painted him as a Bad Motherfricker, who would walk into a cantina and not do anything first, but if someone looked at him the wrong way he'd kill everyone there.

Considering Vader, and things from the OT- he says on the Death Star that he needs to face Kenobi ALONE. I get the sense that will become important in this show, that the Inquisitors will frick up his plans. And we know how he deals with lackeys who frick up

As much as everyone hates Third Sister, I think this show will become beloved if Vader chokes her arse down at the end. Even moreso, if he narrates to her as he does it.

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Aren't Michonne and Ayo the same person?

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No.