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re: New book alleges that GRR Martin begged HBO to do 10 seasons of GOT of 10 episodes each...
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:22 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:22 am to RollTide1987
I don't give a shite anymore. Even if he releases WoW, I'm done. He had his chance and he failed at it.
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:39 am to OMLandshark
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I do think the Faegon plot was too important to drop.
Yup, it was all for nothing in the end and that chapped many of asses.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:51 am to BottomlandBrew
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I don't give a shite anymore. Even if he releases WoW, I'm done. He had his chance and he failed at it.
I fully believe that once he figured out that he wasn’t going to finish the books in time, that he decided to wait it out for fan reaction to the endings he gave to D&D. And has waited for the shite to blow over so he can change the ending and claim they didn’t follow his “outline”.
D&D are flawed themselves but the blame lies with GRRM for failing to provide content to appropriately finish the story.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:53 am to Heron_Blade_Master
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yes, Martin needs to get to work and finish the book series. But I don’t think that was the problem with the television series.
He is saying that he provided D&D with the outline of the remainder of the story, and they simply chose not to follow it.
As I understand it, Martin has largely completed the outline for the entire series. He simply hasn’t gotten off his lazy butt and written about whether the characters head honey cakes, turnips or pease porridge for breakfast.
Sorry. That’s bullshite. When you claim you have enough content to fill 10 seasons of an HBO show but you can’t churn out enough content for 6 (his books ended at 5) you’re full of shite.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:18 am to BluegrassBelle
GRRM is a perfect example of why you can’t pay people before the job is done.
He got more money and fame in the last 10 years than I’m sure he ever imagined
He got more money and fame in the last 10 years than I’m sure he ever imagined
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:52 am to RollTide1987
My theory is that he doesn’t have an ending, he never did.
While he probably thought HBO would option his story for a series, he didn’t know it was going to get picked up and turn into a worldwide phenomenon.
He famously said that the producer sat down with him and he only agreed to allow them if they could guess Johns lineage.
I don’t believe he has ever had an clear ending and when the pressure came he just gave the okay. You wanted HBO to give you more seasons, HBO gave you years to finish.
The only way Martin can shake the infamy of the finale of the series is finish the novels, and he isn’t going to finish it because he never had an ending.
For better or worse the ending that HBO gave us is the ending of the series.
While he probably thought HBO would option his story for a series, he didn’t know it was going to get picked up and turn into a worldwide phenomenon.
He famously said that the producer sat down with him and he only agreed to allow them if they could guess Johns lineage.
I don’t believe he has ever had an clear ending and when the pressure came he just gave the okay. You wanted HBO to give you more seasons, HBO gave you years to finish.
The only way Martin can shake the infamy of the finale of the series is finish the novels, and he isn’t going to finish it because he never had an ending.
For better or worse the ending that HBO gave us is the ending of the series.
This post was edited on 11/30/21 at 10:05 am
Posted on 11/30/21 at 10:02 am to Tactical1
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My theory is that he doesn’t have an ending, he never did.
this is the simplest explanation
Posted on 11/30/21 at 10:55 am to OMLandshark
There should have been two seasons made out of Season 7. And Season 8 two separate seasons. One season dealing with the Night King. One season of Dany’s madness.
People wouldn’t have bitched nearly as much about the actual things that happened had the quality of the writing and consistency of the show had been what Seasons 1-4 were.
People wouldn’t have bitched nearly as much about the actual things that happened had the quality of the writing and consistency of the show had been what Seasons 1-4 were.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 11:53 am to RollTide1987
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New book ... GRR Martin
What are two things that don't belong in a sentence together?
Posted on 11/30/21 at 1:29 pm to OMLandshark
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Oh, boo hoo. How about you finish the god damn novels instead, tubby? I’m not one to defend Dumb and Dumber, but you gave them nothing to go off of. What do you think they’re going to do? While those two suck, GRRM is still the greater villain.
100% Spot on!
Posted on 11/30/21 at 2:03 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 11/30/21 at 2:39 pm to RollTide1987
The long con continues. 
Posted on 11/30/21 at 3:00 pm to RollTide1987
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'You're not following my template.'"
Please HBO please follow my books that I will never publish. Can't you just pull from the books that don't exist.... PLease!!! Please help me with my crippling inability to finish this story... You see it's my high blood pressure and diabetes keeping me from my work!
This post was edited on 11/30/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 11/30/21 at 3:04 pm to RollTide1987
Fickell George RR Martin
“Oh it’s gonna be 8 books, but book 8 is 3 seasos worth of material that ILL NEBER FINISH”
“Oh it’s gonna be 8 books, but book 8 is 3 seasos worth of material that ILL NEBER FINISH”
Posted on 11/30/21 at 3:14 pm to Tactical1
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He famously said that the producer sat down with him and he only agreed to allow them if they could guess Johns lineage.
I think that sums it up in a nutshell. He didn't ask them to guess the ending, he asked them to guess the backstory for one character.
Literary scholars and creative writing teachers will teach this as an example of the "World-building Trap." It's when you have to flesh out the backstories of so many characters that you never reach the conclusion for your primary characters because they've been lost in a sea. There's a reason not many solo writers have ever effectively pulled off world-building.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 3:18 pm to Tactical1
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My theory is that he doesn’t have an ending, he never did.
Well just make it up, that's what writers do.
Sure it's a long series but Stephen King said he never had endings for his books like the huge The Stand until he got to them. The writing was never planned out...from beginning to end, it just flowed and the story took him to the ending.
But he said you have to write everyday and slog through it even if what you write is crap and have to scrap it. Martin might just be lazy...or no longer dedicated to the daily craft.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 3:45 pm to PowerTool
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Literary scholars and creative writing teachers will teach this as an example of the "World-building Trap." It's when you have to flesh out the backstories of so many characters that you never reach the conclusion for your primary characters because they've been lost in a sea. There's a reason not many solo writers have ever effectively pulled off world-building.
Fire and Blood and World of Ice and Fire are amazing histories. I can’t even grasp how he did it.
You read those and the main series and it’s clear he created something too big for him to wrap up in two more books.
It would take like 5 more, and he’s too lazy and rich to do that at this point.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 4:12 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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Fire and Blood and World of Ice and Fire are amazing histories. I can’t even grasp how he did it.
On the World of Ice and Fire he had significant help from the folks who run Westeros.org to pull it all together.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 4:34 pm to RollTide1987
It should have at least been all 10 episode seasons for sure. Cutting the last two down was terrible and basically rushed the ending
It's also kind of hard to complain about them deviating from his story when that fat bum didn't finish the story first
frick that bum
It's also kind of hard to complain about them deviating from his story when that fat bum didn't finish the story first
frick that bum
Posted on 11/30/21 at 4:38 pm to OMLandshark
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I do think the Faegon plot was too important to drop. Cersei on the show is clearly on borrowed time and should not have survived the 7th season in the very least.
Actually they had Cersei set up well but they didn't follow through.
Keep everything the same but have Cersei still alive when Tyrion finds the bodies.
Grief stricken at the death of Jamie but somewhat happy to see his sister is alive he begins to try and help her. But Cersei being Cersei she begins to berate him and blame him for Jamie's death. Enraged by her callousness he then chokes her to death thus completing the prophecy of her younger sibling killing her.
This post was edited on 11/30/21 at 5:25 pm
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