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Posted on 11/30/21 at 4:39 am
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 4:39 am
He also claimed behind the scenes that after the fifth season, D&D moved further and further away from the template he had given them to complete the show.

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As first reported by Insider, Tinderbox: HBO's Ruthless Pursuit of New Frontiers, a new book by journalist James Andrew Miller, details how Martin flew to New York to "beg" HBO to do 10 seasons.

"George would fly to New York to have lunch with [former HBO CEO Richard Plepler], to beg him to do 10 seasons of 10 episodes because there was enough material for it and to tell him it would be a more satisfying and more entertaining experience," Martin's agent Paul Haas says in the book.

According to Haas, Martin also reportedly worried that HBO wasn't "following his template" in terms of plotting out the story. "George loves [Game of Thrones showrunners Daniel Weiss and David Benioff], but after season five, he did start to worry about the path they were going because George knows where the story goes. He started saying, 'You're not following my template.'"

Game of Thrones' final season includes multiple shocking turns, particularly for Daenerys Targaryen. Many fans likewise expressed disappointment with how other major plots were resolved, including the ultimate winner of the Iron Throne and the battle with the Night King.


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Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:05 am to
So he wanted to get paid by hbo instead of finishing the story himself
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:12 am to
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George loves [Game of Thrones showrunners Daniel Weiss and David Benioff], but after season five, he did start to worry about the path they were going because George knows where the story goes


Does he though?



Season 5 covered content from the last couple of books and the little bit of content GRRM had from The Winds of Winter.

You can’t be upset that D&D started to diverge at that point when you STOPPED frickING WRITING CONTENT.

GRRM could have easily remedied this by, I don’t know, finishing the story so they’d have content to adapt. At the time of Season 5, A Dance of Dragons had been out for 4+ years.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:18 am to
The Never-ending Story that wasn't.

Never seen a fan base more patient or sticking with a series.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:25 am to
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George would fly to New York to have lunch with [former HBO CEO Richard Plepler], to beg him to do 10 seasons of 10 episodes because there was enough material for it


bullshite. If there was enough material for it we would’ve had the next book by now. ADWD was published in 2011.
Posted by bbeck
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:34 am to
Frick off GRR
Posted by MSTiger33
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:51 am to
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So he wanted to get paid by hbo instead of finishing the story himself


Winner winner, chicken dinner
Posted by bodask42
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:59 am to
Wouldnt have made a damn difference for him to finish the story in time/. The show ended 3 years ago and there still is no news on even the 6th book being finished. The 5th book came out a fricking decade ago. AND there is supposed to be a seventh book somehow after all of that.

At the point GRRM realized the show was going to outpace him, he should have out more effort and focus into the show and wrote multiple episodes a season. Instead, around the 5th season he stopped writing even the one episode a season and seemingly left D&D on their own.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:05 am to
At this point I dont get why he won’t just use a ghost writer to help him finish.
Posted by TigerV
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:10 am to
Sounds like his agent/editor is putting stuff out there to save the release of any new book (I know not likely to happen ). Trying to keep fans interested in following the storyline of the book rather than just giving up. My take - screw him.
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Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:20 am to
Oh 100%

I’ve been saying for a while that D&D more or less followed his outline minus a few dropped and condensed plots. GRRM was probably waiting for the show to finish to start releasing books again as a way to extend the gravy train but when people started criticizing major plot points of his story he panicked b/c he’d written himself into a corner that a large amount of people hated.
This post was edited on 11/30/21 at 6:21 am
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:37 am to
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He also claimed behind the scenes that after the fifth season, D&D moved further and further away from the template he had given them to complete the show.



he maybe right but its mostly because he didnt really have a template for them past that point lmao.

when D&D did have a quality template to work from in the earlier seasons they absolutely hit it out the park.


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including the ultimate winner of the Iron Throne and the battle with the Night King.

I wanted this to happen. bran winning was sure as shite the dumbest possible option. fricking Hot Pie taking the throne wouldve been better.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:45 am to
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but after season five, he did start to worry about the path they were going because George knows where the story goes. He started saying, 'You're not following my template.



Wasn't this right about the time Emilia Clark started to refuse to do full frontal?

Yeah, that's where it all went wrong!
Posted by LB84
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:53 am to
Hard to feel sorry the old man when he is pretty much the literary version of Lost.
Posted by Ssubba
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 7:10 am to
GRRM should have just canned the books and took the lead on the show. I guarantee it would have ended better.
Posted by bad93ex
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 7:25 am to
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GRRM should have just canned the books and took the lead on the show. I guarantee it would have ended better.



Allegedly they had his blessing on the ending of the show.
Posted by Heron_Blade_Master
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 7:29 am to
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You can’t be upset that D&D started to diverge at that point when you STOPPED frickING WRITING CONTENT.
yes, Martin needs to get to work and finish the book series. But I don’t think that was the problem with the television series.

He is saying that he provided D&D with the outline of the remainder of the story, and they simply chose not to follow it.

As I understand it, Martin has largely completed the outline for the entire series. He simply hasn’t gotten off his lazy butt and written about whether the characters head honey cakes, turnips or pease porridge for breakfast.
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