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re: Marvel board: is it right to feel like Brie Larson Capt Marvel was forced on fans?
Posted on 7/11/21 at 7:38 pm to Ignignot
Posted on 7/11/21 at 7:38 pm to Ignignot
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Marvel board: is it right to feel like Brie Larson Capt Marvel was forced on fans?
Brie portrayed Carol Danvers with the depth of a Petri dish. Some of that is on Brie, some is on the director for not pushing her to emote at least as much as Keanu Reeves. And that's saying something.
The other part is on the writing. The movie writers wrote her to be a feminist icon, so "not being a guy" was pretty much the core of her character which then makes that character as flat as Groom Lake. When you have a character with no interesting personality aspects and then combine that lack with Brie's wooden-door emotive portrayal, you get a character whose as fun to watch and sympathetic as an unplugged Coke machine.
There's a place for a well-written Captain Marvel, but you need to have the "well-written" part first.
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Posted on 7/11/21 at 8:31 pm to drexyl
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they fricked up a movie set IN THE 90S. That’s really hard to do.
As bad or worse was how much wonder woman 1984 fricked up the 80s
Posted on 7/11/21 at 8:49 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Brie Larson is a chore.
She used to not be. When she was doing interviews and around the time of Scott Pilgrim, she was a completely different person. Apparently she turned into this...
Posted on 7/11/21 at 9:33 pm to skrayper
Captain Marvel is actually a cool premise, it just wasn't executed well. I think brie could have been fine if it was done better
Posted on 7/11/21 at 9:38 pm to skrayper
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Apparently she turned into this...
Maybe. Maybe she was always this way, and only showed it once she made it to the big time. Or maybe 'big time' made her this way? I suspect she's always been a bit of a diva.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:04 am to AURaptor
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I suspect she's always been a bit of a diva.
I watched some of the interviews she's done with other MCU actors promoting Endgame, and I get the feeling that they don't like her, and there was a rumor going around that she was difficult to work with.
I liked her in Scott Pilgrim, Skull Island, and Room. Hell even her short stints on Community. I was excited when they announced her casting. But after watching her in two MCU projects I've changed my tune.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:20 am to HuskyPanda
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I suspect she's always been a bit of a diva.
I watched some of the interviews she's done with other MCU actors promoting Endgame, and I get the feeling that they don't like her, and there was a rumor going around that she was difficult to work with.
I liked her in Scott Pilgrim, Skull Island, and Room. Hell even her short stints on Community. I was excited when they announced her casting. But after watching her in two MCU projects I've changed my tune.
I agree... I really liked her in Scott Pilgrim was pretty excited at the casting.
I'm guessing she lived in that "famous actor" bubble that drives a lot of them batshit crazy. Not most of them, mind you, but it's definitely a higher-than-average percentage, with having all that money as well as everyone kissing your butt and telling you how awesome you are.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:50 am to HuskyPanda
Yes- the body language in some of those interviews is a giveaway. Particularly since the core actors seem to all get along so well.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:00 am to skrayper
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She used to not be. When she was doing interviews and around the time of Scott Pilgrim, she was a completely different person. Apparently she turned into this...
She also showed personality in Jump Street as well.
I keep going back to writing and directing, unless they were pushovers and let Larson act however the frick she wanted.
They could have just modeled her after Emily Blunt's character in Edge of Tomorrow and gotten a good character.
I think the writing was intentional for her to show zero emotion.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:04 am to Ignignot
Mary Sues are always a challenge. This isn't limited to females (although it seems much more common these days) - the challenges for writing for Superman are legendary.
Going out of your way to Mary Sue a character and then cast her with such an unlikeable actress with minimal range to help flesh out that character was a recipe for disaster that rational folks could see from miles and miles away.
Without Endgame coattails, the film would have performed much worse and they would already be recasting the role for the next phase.
Going out of your way to Mary Sue a character and then cast her with such an unlikeable actress with minimal range to help flesh out that character was a recipe for disaster that rational folks could see from miles and miles away.
Without Endgame coattails, the film would have performed much worse and they would already be recasting the role for the next phase.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:07 am to Ignignot
what do you mean forced? She's not the first female led movie.
It simply wasn't a good movie, and she's not a likable character the way she was portrayed by Larson.
Was WW84 forced b/c it sucked?
It simply wasn't a good movie, and she's not a likable character the way she was portrayed by Larson.
Was WW84 forced b/c it sucked?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:21 am to Athos
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I keep going back to writing and directing, unless they were pushovers and let Larson act however the frick she wanted.
I'd 100% agree that it was writing and direction, if not for her interviews.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:25 am to HuskyPanda
I liked her too in Skull Island. Not that she did all that much , but she was fine.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:26 am to Ignignot
Capt Marvel movie was awful. It had nothing to do with any of the other movies.
Then when she shows up in Endgame its like she is the big savior but is completely unreliable. The whole "I have to help other solar systems' play is stupid.
Then when she shows up in Endgame its like she is the big savior but is completely unreliable. The whole "I have to help other solar systems' play is stupid.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 6:48 am to CocomoLSU
Like she delivers every (thankfully limited) line of dialogue like she couldn’t give less of a frick to be there.
—-Just like in the first Captain Marvel. I have no interest in the sequel
—-Just like in the first Captain Marvel. I have no interest in the sequel
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:14 am to Ace Midnight
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Mary Sues are always a challenge. This isn't limited to females (although it seems much more common these days) - the challenges for writing for Superman are legendary.
Going out of your way to Mary Sue a character and then cast her with such an unlikeable actress with minimal range to help flesh out that character was a recipe for disaster that rational folks could see from miles and miles away.
Without Endgame coattails, the film would have performed much worse and they would already be recasting the role for the next phase.
It became pretty obvious they wrote themselves into a corner with her power level. Also, it's like "Hey Captain Marvel, we're building a time machine that will undo all of this. We'll wait 'til you get back." It's a TIME MACHINE. Get Thor back into shape, wait for Captain Marvel to get back, and then go to Thanos' planet right after the snap and lop off his arm. Bam and done.
They made Thor fat and Captain Marvel AWOL to add tension.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:29 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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It might just be her portrayal of the character. Larson is a ©unt.
I think a different actress could have been more likeable.
I am taking a break from the SECrant while I get ready to move but I will return just to say this is absolutely correct.
Why they didn't get Yvonne Strahovski for this part is beyond me. She can do comedy, drama, and action.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:35 am to skrayper
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They made Thor fat and Captain Marvel AWOL to add tension.
I'm not disagreeing with you but at least with Thor it is understandable. He just lost his whole family, homeland, and was thoroughly and humiliatingly outclassed by Thanos.
Severe grief and anguish can lead to alcoholism and people straight up letting themselves go. While it was a funny detail being fat, to me it was sad that this man had given everything and lost and is grieving by letting himself go.
Same thing that happens sometimes to very close relatives of someone who dies.
But back to Captain Marvel, every time I think about her, it seems like I drop her down a level on my MCU movies ratings. Everything as been said here already but they really do have a massive problem on their hands with her. I suspect that is why Feige fired them from Captain Marvel 2.
Brie sucks. But she does have big titties. But that isn't even a saving grace to her shitty pancake arse and her portrayal of Carol Danvers.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 11:15 am to Bottom9
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I'm not disagreeing with you but at least with Thor it is understandable. He just lost his whole family, homeland, and was thoroughly and humiliatingly outclassed by Thanos.
Severe grief and anguish can lead to alcoholism and people straight up letting themselves go. While it was a funny detail being fat, to me it was sad that this man had given everything and lost and is grieving by letting himself go.
Same thing that happens sometimes to very close relatives of someone who dies.
They had the opportunity to treat PTSD with some actual gravitas, but outside of the first scene with Hulk (after the bits with "noobmaster") and the scenes with his mom, you don't get much depth in regards to that. It was sort of telling to me that he was going through all this and not a single Avenger even knew - and it's not like he turned Banner and Rocket away when they showed up. Just gives the impression that the Avengers didn't give a shite.
Hell, Rhodes is a member of the military and he actively mocked Thor for what he is going through - though he should be ACUTELY aware of PTSD (when you consider how long he's served and the stuff he's seen).
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Posted on 7/13/21 at 4:21 pm to skrayper
FWIW, considering what the MCU writers have done with the character of Thor after two pretty mediocre origin films, there's hope that they can turn Captain Marvel around. Whether Larson would be able to exude the charm and gravitas to pull off what Hemsworth has is, of course, the biggest question. It's highly unlikely, and I'm a fan of Larson for the most part.
ETA: if you peruse Larson's YouTube channel and watch some of her workout videos, you'll see that she's got a goofy side to her personality, and she seems genuine. Whether the writers choose to, or are able to tap into that is anyone's guess.
ETA: if you peruse Larson's YouTube channel and watch some of her workout videos, you'll see that she's got a goofy side to her personality, and she seems genuine. Whether the writers choose to, or are able to tap into that is anyone's guess.
This post was edited on 7/13/21 at 4:23 pm
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