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re: Maester's Thread - A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (S1, HBO) - Book Spoilers
Posted on 2/3/26 at 12:59 pm to cgrand
Posted on 2/3/26 at 12:59 pm to cgrand
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I would guess that the fan theories here will be more interesting than the actual source material, either in the existing writing, writing to come or in the future of the TV show
The GoT TV adaptation has already dropped the ball on the bloodraven storyline, and it does not appear that the book series will advance any further. Fun to speculate though
I mean we definitely get him as the Three-Eyed Raven later in GoT. But we don't get a whole lot of him as a younger version except in the D&E novellas.
Then you have this from what will be Season 3 (The Mystery Knight):
quote:
"How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have? the riddle ran. A thousand eyes, and one. Some claimed the King's Hand was a student of the dark arts who could change his face, put on the likeness of a one-eyed dog, even turn into a mist. Packs of gaunt gray wolves hunted down his foes, men said, and carrion crows spied for him and whispered secrets in his ear. Most of the tales were only tales, Dunk did not doubt, but no one could doubt that Bloodraven had informers everywhere."[16]
—thoughts of Duncan the Tall
There's a shite ton of speculation based on what is written that he is also Maynard Plumm in The Mystery Knight. Dunk even picks up on him being "off".
Westeros.org Maynard Plumm theories
ETA: I don't think it's just fan speculation as there's some legitimately solid info in the novellas that he has some powers (before becoming the Three Eyed Raven).
This post was edited on 2/3/26 at 1:02 pm
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Posted on 2/3/26 at 2:30 pm to IHitthaLONGBALL
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I could be misremembering but Dunk wasn’t approached about fixing the joust(winning) in the books correct?
I certainly don't recall that either but why in the hell would they need to ask someone to WIN on purpose? Dunk has zero reason to be a part of any scheme that requires him to win because he should be trying his hardest to do that on purpose anyways.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 2:48 pm to DeoreDX
They need Dunk to challenge Sir Andros, which he otherwise wouldn’t have done bc Sir Andros is much better than him on paper. At least for his first fight he would’ve chosen someone more his own level.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 2:54 pm to DeoreDX
quote:I think because they want Dunk to challenge the Ashford guy. Ashford is a good jouster, so if he challenged Dunk, he'd be called out for trying to get an easy win. If Dunk challenges him, it looks like some overconfident upstart trying to beat a good jouster, so people would bet against Dunk, except for the people in on the fix. But yeah, it didn't happen in the book.
why in the hell would they need to ask someone to WIN on purpose?
quote:He's almost certainly Plumm, which is clever because the real Plumms do have some Targ blood, through bastards raised by cucks.
There's a shite ton of speculation based on what is written that he is also Maynard Plumm in The Mystery Knight. Dunk even picks up on him being "off".
Posted on 2/3/26 at 4:36 pm to blueboy
This was my issue with it. It basically will make a portion of The Mystery knight seem like a repeat.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:00 am to BluegrassBelle
So I admit Martin put some hints in the books that Dunk was never knighted.
But it’s not 100%.
I still think during some important moment in the show we’ll get a flashback to a death bed knighting and then Dunk kicks someone’s arse. May not be a full proper knighting, but a knighting nonetheless.
There’s a scene in every book where you could do that.
But it’s not 100%.
I still think during some important moment in the show we’ll get a flashback to a death bed knighting and then Dunk kicks someone’s arse. May not be a full proper knighting, but a knighting nonetheless.
There’s a scene in every book where you could do that.
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 8:02 am
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:26 am to Sus-Scrofa
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So I admit Martin put some hints in the books that Dunk was never knighted.
But it’s not 100%.
He wasn't knighted.
But it doesn't matter that he wasn't knighted, maybe Arlan was going to knight him at some point anyway but it doesn't matter. He's a knight now whether Arlan knighted him or not.
Even the show runner, which is essentially GRRM telling us that it doesn't matter because Duncans actions and honor make him a knight in spirit. That's all that matter s at this point.
Reading the books a few times now and it wasn't until this thread that I ever gave any thought to it mattering. Does Arlan on his death bed and probably iout of it saying "You're a knight now" or whatever they would say make Duncan a better knight or person than he is now? No, not at all.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:36 am to iwyLSUiwy
I’m just picturing a scene where Dunk is getting his arse kicked and is told he’s not a knight, then there’s a flashback to the dying Arlen knighting him, and then Dunk takes it to 11 in the fight.
Doesn’t matter, you’re right, but that’d be a good scene.
Doesn’t matter, you’re right, but that’d be a good scene.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 8:56 am to Sus-Scrofa
I could see that, Arlan dying halfway through knighting him or something like that. It would definitely take readers by surprise, but the line in the book about how Dunk knew what it was like to tell a big lie is hard to get around. That's why I say maybe Ser Arlan died while doing it, so it doesn't t4echnically count but was surely intended.
But the king can knight people too, so maybe there's a future chapter where Egg becomes king and secretly knights Dunk. Either way, I also agree that it doesn't matter.
But the king can knight people too, so maybe there's a future chapter where Egg becomes king and secretly knights Dunk. Either way, I also agree that it doesn't matter.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:58 pm to blueboy
I don't remeber how it went down in the books but in my mind, the second Baelor vouches for him to fight in the tourney, he's a legitimate knight. I mean thats about the highest voice you can get to give you validity.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 3:20 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Oh definitely. He'll never be questioned again, unless it's discovered that he vouched under a false pretense, which it won't be.
We're just wondering if we'll ever get a flashback telling us for sure, but I doubt we will.
We're just wondering if we'll ever get a flashback telling us for sure, but I doubt we will.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 3:50 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Because we all need to talk about this shite right here:
That’s all it would be, because will never see it, and GRRM will never write it.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 7:15 pm to Philzilla2k
I know this is based on speculation, but it’s sad to think of this sweet kid growing up and burning his entire family in a deluded attempt to hatch dragons.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 7:27 pm to ohiovol
I’m very curious of the circumstances. Did Egg go mad or was it truly an accident? Did he use wildfire?
Posted on 2/5/26 at 7:30 pm to DBG
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I’m very curious of the circumstances. Did Egg go mad or was it truly an accident? Did he use wildfire?
As far as I know it’s not actually confirmed, but that seems to be a popular theory. I’m not sure we’ll ever get an answer.
This post was edited on 2/5/26 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 2/5/26 at 7:35 pm to ohiovol
The only published info on Summerhall is the fragmented statement by a maester from Fire & Blood
I think it’ll eventually be revealed. Could there have been sabotage by a septon or pyromancer or just some anti-Targaryen guy? So many questions!
quote:
the blood of the dragon gathered in one …
… seven eggs, to honor the seven gods, though the king's own septon had warned …
… pyromancers …
… wild fire …
… flames grew out of control … towering … burned so hot that …
… died, but for the valor of the Lord Comman …[2]
I think it’ll eventually be revealed. Could there have been sabotage by a septon or pyromancer or just some anti-Targaryen guy? So many questions!
This post was edited on 2/5/26 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 2/5/26 at 8:36 pm to DBG
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I think it’ll eventually be revealed. Could there have been sabotage by a septon or pyromancer or just some anti-Targaryen guy? So many questions!
He was successful and hatched a dragon or two and the maesters of the citadel tried to take out the dragons and all of house Targaryen.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 8:52 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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He was successful and hatched a dragon or two and the maesters of the citadel tried to take out the dragons and all of house Targaryen.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 8:57 pm to DBG
Have y’all heard the theory that the 7 were there incarnate to guide Dunk along?
Father- Baelor
Mother- inn keeper
Crone- prophecy lady
Smith- steely pate
Warrior- Robin Rhysling
Maid- tanselle
Stranger- maekar
Stole this from the house of R pod but found it interesting
Father- Baelor
Mother- inn keeper
Crone- prophecy lady
Smith- steely pate
Warrior- Robin Rhysling
Maid- tanselle
Stranger- maekar
Stole this from the house of R pod but found it interesting
This post was edited on 2/5/26 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 2/5/26 at 9:14 pm to DBG
If so, it's only on the show.
Rhysling is also believed to represent Odin, who was always said to be wandering the world as a one-eyed old man. Bloodraven is also symbolic of Odin.
Rhysling is also believed to represent Odin, who was always said to be wandering the world as a one-eyed old man. Bloodraven is also symbolic of Odin.
This post was edited on 2/5/26 at 9:43 pm
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