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re: Mad Men Season 7 Episode 7 "Waterloo" Midseason Finale

Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:21 am to
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:21 am to
So is Bert "coming back" to Don at the end after earlier in the show stating that "No one ever comes back (from leave" a sign that Don's "comeback" is assured?

Or is Weiner just frickin' with us?
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:23 am to
I still can't believe they managed to make Pete a top 3 likeable character.
Posted by LasVegasTiger
Idaho
Member since Apr 2008
8707 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:30 am to
quote:

I still can't believe they managed to make Pete a top 3 likeable character.


I was trying to think of another character on a show that I hated so much at first and now think is awesome. I can't think of anyone that can top Pete.

California Pete!!
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25507 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:03 pm to
Pete has always been my favorite character. His line delivery kills me. He is so exasperated.
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:13 pm to
First episode Pete was hilarious. He was a louse out of some 50's B Movie...

"Hey Sweetheart, shorten that skirt and put on some makeup and you'll be a regular tomato..."
Posted by Ruxin
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2012
1071 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 3:29 pm to
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No one else from SCP will get to be a partner unless they are approved by the McCann/Erickson board.


If that's the case, who owns the final 49% of SCP?
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 3:36 pm to
his delivery is really great. i even liked his character during his dark/scummy/non california days.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

If that's the case, who owns the final 49% of SCP?



i want to know this also
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 3:50 pm to
What an amazing episode. This season had three of Mad Men's best episodes ever ("A Day's Work," "The Strategy," & "Waterloo") in only a seven episode half season. I don't know how anyone can continue to say Mad Men has lost its way after this year.

The Cooper dance was strange at first for me, but after my rewatch I almost burst into tears. It's one of the most beautiful actor/character sendoffs I've ever seen. Not sure why a few people think this didn't match the tone of the show. Don has had hallucinations from the very beginning. This might have been the best one he's had with the most meaningful life lesson for him and for us watching.

I believe that Weiner had this episode in his pocket from the premiere of the series. I bet he knew he would send Robert Morse off with a musical scene in the moon landing episode in the final season.

The one thing that has bothered me a bit about this season is Joan's action towards Don. I hope this is explained more next year in a scene with them. I understand where she's coming from, but it seems a bit extreme.

Until next year!
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 3:52 pm
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

No one else from SCP will get to be a partner unless they are approved by the McCann/Erickson board.



If that's the case, who owns the final 49% of SCP?

First, who owns the 49% is irrelevant to the first statement because 51>49. Second, the SCP partners own the 49%.
Posted by BlackenedOut
The Big Sleazy
Member since Feb 2011
6060 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 4:31 pm to
For sake of discussion, assume 100 shares of SCP.

If I had to guess, M/E buys Bert's 20 percent stake plus an additional 31 on a pro rata share from all the remaining partners. So in essence every other partner would have a little less than half of their original shares. Or they could set up a new company where M/E owns 51 percent of the company and SCP owns 49 with Roger as Pres of that entity.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52297 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 4:36 pm to
quote:

Or they could set up a new company where M/E owns 51 percent of the company and SCP owns 49 with Roger as Pres of that entity.


i think that's what they're going to do. because they're all selling their shares. i also thought Don was on equal footing shares wise with Roger and Bert
Posted by Ruxin
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2012
1071 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

SCP owns 49 with Roger as Pres of that entity.



Thanks. I was kind of thinking this since everyone sounded like they would get a pay out for their entire shares rather than 51% of their shares.
Posted by BlackenedOut
The Big Sleazy
Member since Feb 2011
6060 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 5:07 pm to
Since we dont know exactly what business structure SCP is it is tough to determine what would be the best buy out option.

However, it is probably not an LLC (since those didnt really materialize until the 80s or so). A strict partnership maybe, but that strains credulity considering all the other buying and selling and merging that has happened. However, they do always call themselves "partners" and not directors or officers. Id imagine though most likely it is a straight corporation, privately held.

So the easier solution would be for all the living partners (really shareholders) to sell half of their shares to M/E and M/E buy all of Bert's shares (proceeds of which would go to his heirs). Then M/E becomes the majority shareholder of SCP and can appoint its directors and officers.

Of course there is probably a life insurance on Bert with SCP as the beneficiary, so they will have that money coming to them. Normally this would be used to pay Bert's heirs to buyback his shares.

If it is a partnership, they can either allow for this new partner to join at the 63 million buy in (representing half) and split the proceeds along partnership lines. Or they could sell their partnership units on a pro rata basis as above in the corporation hypothetical.

Man, some MBA grad student could write a thesis on this. "Analyzing the M/E Buy Out and Tax Implications Offer under Separate Business Structures".
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 5:47 pm to
quote:

I still can't believe they managed to make Pete a top 3 likeable character.

How bizarre is this.

For the first four seasons i hated Pete. Then at the beginning of season 5 [I believe] he was normal. Then, quickly went into creepy/douche mode.

How could anyone not be happy with Trudy Campbell.
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
10905 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:28 pm to
If it is a partnership it is automatically dissolved when >50% of the partnership is exchanged within 12 months. Therefore they will have to become a new entity and basically everyone's percentage gets cut in half and still shares in the p&l.

What's interesting to me is llp's are a new phenomenon so maybe they are an llc taxed like a partnership.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38810 posts
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:03 am to
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51403 posts
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:14 pm to
They´re probably a C corporation.
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