re: LOST "The End" S6.E17&18

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No. I think the answer was pretty definitive.

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Look,

The finale did what the entire show has done, which is strangely admirable. It never fell apart for the sides, and outside of Lacour, people are thinking in the same terms they always have.

Those like OML, Decatur, Eric, and Port, and GF, no offense, will rationalize anything they see on the show for the easiest path of resistance in regards to emotion. "Oh the crash at the end, that's just the creators being sentimental. Oh baby Aaron, that's just what Claire need to let go.." And so forth. (This isn't an attack, or an insult) This is just how you see it. You also only see it one way, there is no other. You are saying it's clear cut, when it isn't, regardless of how illogical it often sounds. Also, things can happen on the island only they way they already have. You don't look for the better solution, the more efficient or meaningful solution, you only look for the one that was given, maybe obtusely, but still given. You may see the faults, and even acknowledge their existence, but you easily toss that aside.

For you, things being clear cut equate to your emotions being fulfilled. Notice, all of your reaction to the show is facilitated by an emotional response.

On the other hand, Myth and I and others, see things differently. We way the different parts of the show looking for clarity and rationality. We are often too harsh on the problems, and not positive enough about the successes. We let are own personal reasoning often get in the way of accepting the show as it is. I can easily say for Myth and myself, this has to do with character motivations and narrative. His stance on BSG is the same, he has a serious problem with how the end went down there as well. Notice, that most of us haven't asked about the island. I am satisfied, mostly, with how the island was portrayed.

For us to be fulfilled, it must be reasonable and logical, it doesn't matter if we "like" it, but that it make sense.

What ticks us off is the CONSCIOUS decision by Cuse and Lidelhof to muddy the ending. That's the biggest problem for me. You say, "That's impossible. It's clear." But only because you ignore and rationalize away what the writers have put on the screen. All the little things they could have done to make it clear, they didn't. I'll give you that the birth of Aaron was necessary for the flash, ok. But why was he in the church, her moment was over? Why were Rose and Bernard in the church, when they weren't as big a part of the show as others who weren't?

Maybe we are too analytical, this much is true, but with the creators KNOWING that some fans are, why torture them in such a manner? It was easily avoidable, that's what makes it so annoying.

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I think I'm seeing a trend here. People who hated or were pessimistic LOST before the finale were the same way after the finale. Same vice versa.

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Pretty much

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and yes I do believe that Damon and Carlton probably had an ending similar to this in mind from the very beginning (ie: moving on, Vincent crawling beside the dying Jack, Jack knowing he secured rescue, and his eye closing).

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They always said they knew how they were going to end. The purgatory angle and Jack's dying scene support this.

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Then you could come up with any explanation you want if you play that game

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This is the game CUSE AND LINDELOF created. See Freaxzen's post above.

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Did they actually show them getting the tree off of Ben or did he just appear with them in the next scene?

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20 minutes didn't make it in the broadcasted version. The DVD version of the episode will be even longer. Something tells me this is a scene they skipped.

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Not to mention what the world was thinking after the Aljira flight vanished and the passenger log would have shown that the famous Oceanic 6 were on that flight as well. Then that plane reappears carrying one member of the 6 (Kate), a man who will have no identity to the outside world (Richard), and 2 other survivors from the original crash who were presumed to be dead (Sawyer and Claire).

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Not to mention Miles. I could see the others going on to have a semi-normal life, and Lapidus can play stupid since no one knows he left with the Oceanic 6, but Kate is screwed. In the very least she's going to be arrested for violating her parole, and thats the least of her problems. All of Ajira flight 316 is missing but Lapidus, to where mass murder may come in, as well as kidnapping Aaron and lying before a grand court on what really happened. Plus Hurley buying all those tickets proved that they knew something was up.

so were they dead from the very 1st show in season one? did anyone survive the crash?

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Jack died (with Vincent, Matthew Fox's dog in real life, laying next to him, so ****ing sad).

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Wow. That is pretty neat. I never knew Vincent was actually his dog.

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Those like OML, Decatur, Eric, and Port, and GF, no offense, will rationalize anything they see on the show for the easiest path of resistance in regards to emotion.

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what?

I just see it different than you do. To me, there is just far more evidence that they lived on the island, and I've posted that. Check my post history and you'll find that I don't really try to overcomplicate these lost scenarios. I generally take it for what it is. I was blasted for the whole disagreeing with the "game" theory because I thought Jacob was genuine with his explanation of the island. He explained it and that was it. Same with the ending - people seem to be trying to make more out of it that what it was - Christian explained it, hurley and ben had a conversation about protecting the island, I mean what more do you really want?

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If the altverse is purgatory then that makes surviving an H-bomb going off on the island even stupider.

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winner

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Exactly. We see it differently, that's kind of the point of my post.

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But neither is more right or wrong than the other. And that's something that you've seemed to have said numerous times.