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re: LOST "The End" S6.E17&18
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:20 am to Decatur
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:20 am to Decatur
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What ticks us off is the CONSCIOUS decision by Cuse and Lidelhof to muddy the ending. That's the biggest problem for me.
I'm totally okay with this. The show was based on suspense and cliffhangers.
So you do an ending where 99% of the everything we see leads us to one conclusion, with one single easter egg that will have some people questioning it.
Unlike the Sopranos, which was completely open ended, this finale had a nearly set conclusion with one, single scene that leaves us wondering.
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:21 am to OMLandshark
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The cork is the best analogy that we will get for the Island, and there quite literally was a cork holding back hell, darkness, and malevolence. The best guess I have is the Island may literally be the gates of hell. We don't need to be more specific.
I felt they were making a vague reference to the volcano on the Island. Pulling the plug/cork "activated" the volcano, which if left unchecked would have sunk the Island. At least that's what I see.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:22 am to Freauxzen
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My problem is that there is interpretation by the way they ended it, but it was a cheap and manipulative way to allow interpretation.
And I couldn't think you were more wrong. I thought it was a pretty clear-cut end, and there was no crash to be interpreted at the end, and that the ending sequence with the crash site was just a revisit to the Pilot and the beginning of this whole ordeal known as Lost. But that's where your point comes in from before, that we see it two different ways..and we always will.
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But you have to admit, Cuse and Lidelhof consciously allowed and even pushed for over-analysis, even with the use of cheap tricks.
Oh, definitely. IMO they let the analysis of the fans run the storylines for a while, and I think that's one area where Lost lacked...had they just created a storyline and stuck with it, it could have been even better (though the more I think about it, the more I think it's a great, great show). I mean, in the end, they went with a version of Purgatory anyway, so it's not like they deviated a lot from where I think they initially wanted to take the show...they just had to fill 6 seasons with stuff to make it less obvious that Purgatory was an option.
I also think it had a lot to do with the whole outlook on JJ Abrams in the world. He had this aura of odd and intriguing and mysterious that came from Lost, and then that was bolstered by Cloverfield, Star Trek, etc. I think peoples' expectations of him pushed the show into more extreme territories. I think that was another reason that the show got as farfetched as it did at times.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:23 am to constant cough
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What exactly were they trying to achieve on the island?
They were trying to utilize the electromagnetic qualities of the island (the light).
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Ok, but how was Desmond able to shift between the two times?
Desmond survived being blasted with electromagnetism and it made him special.
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And why was the island shown to be sunken at the beginning of season 6?
Probably to throw off the audience, maybe another reason but I haven't thought about it yet.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:24 am to Freauxzen
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But you have to admit, Cuse and Lidelhof consciously allowed and even pushed for over-analysis,
Point taken
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:30 am to joshnorris14
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Probably to throw off the audience, maybe another reason but I haven't thought about it yet.
Like I said earlier... I think the island being sunken was way in the future.
Christian said that no matter when they died, some long ago, some recently, that they all ended up in "purgatory" at the same time. Hurley and Ben obviously ran the island for a while and I think after they left, whomever they left in control ended up sinking the island.
So the alt timeline/purgatory was taking place in the future
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:31 am to Decatur
If the altworld is purgatory for the people who were on the Island and for some reason had to "let go" or "remeber their time together" to move on (which I am okay with), why the hell was Penny in the church? She never set foot on the Island. Or am I rembering incorrectly?
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:35 am to Decatur
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Not true for me. I've expressed displeasure with some of the things they've done on the show.
And so has OML and GF, but for the most part, you are "satisfied."
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I think that there are plenty things left up for interpretation. The crash scene during the credits I don't see how that is open to interpretation.
But it is, and plenty enough evidence supports that.
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Aaron was a baby at the church because was Aaron had just been born in the flash-sideways...at least the way it was presented to the audience.
But wasn't the church the vehicle for them to "cross over" Why would Aaron be there, if the best years of his life were not on the island. Or if he had to be there, why not AT LEAST as a 3 year-old? As a baby, it just doesn't make sense. Her acceptance moment was over, so like Jack's son, Aaron should have disappeared. Aaron was never in purgatory. Only Claire was.
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So what? It's their show. You're definitely setting yourself up for disappointment if you try to rewrite the show in your mind just so you can see how much better you could have made it. There's a shite ton on this show that I think I could have made better or at least more to my liking.
Fair enough. But cleaning that stuff up would make the show stronger, better. It's all of the "Why" questions that Myth is asking.
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I think the writers focused the ending on the personal ties between the characters on the show and the audience's ties with the characters. There's nothing wrong ending the show with emotional catharsis.
Nothing wrong with it, but the point is, as long as that happens, you'll accept it. Even if it was cheap.
And SFP is right, all of the emotion from the show came from moments of emotion viewers had already seen. Interesting.
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I don't see how the ending was muddied. I just don't. Chalk it up to me being a fanboy. I don't care.
For all of the reasons above. That's what the first paragraph is about. You accept the ending which allows for your emotions to be satisfied and "reject" all others.
I'm not saying one is better than the other, just outlining the different ways of viewing it, that's all.
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This isn't Joyce.
But it tries to be.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:36 am to Freauxzen
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Maybe we are too analytical, this much is true
No, I think you are just approaching this with a "holier than thou" attitude. Maybe it's because of your backround as a writer or whatever, I don't know. (I'm not knocking that FWIW)
I fully admit that I am a fan of the show and that makes it easiser to appreciate the ending I guess. Last I checked that wasn't a bad thing. This isn't religion, man. I'm not actively seeking God or the meaning of life from a TV show. They gave an answer, made it pretty clear, and that was it. Don't kid yourself by thinking that you and Myth are far above everyone else. Sometimes the obvious answer is the correct answer. Using common sense isn't always a bad thing.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:43 am to PortCityTiger24
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No, I think you are just approaching this with a "holier than thou" attitude.
Being overly critical isn't "holier than thou," AND i have also said I don't know which ending I'll settle on. I"M NTO SAYING MYTH IS RIGHT. AND MYTH IS NOT SAYING MYTH IS RIGHT. We are saying it's possible and nothing more.
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I fully admit that I am a fan of the show and that makes it easiser to appreciate the ending I guess.
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Overall, I like the show. Contrary to popular belief, I have ALWAYS liked the show. But I think it could have been great. It could have been the greatest show of all-time. It could have had a great mythology. It could have been a story that did the rare thing, in modern times, and go after a universal truth. But it isn't.
Take out all the excess, all the unnecessary plots, all the unnecessary characters, all that information, all the manipulation and games that they played, and at the core, it does have a good message.
It's buried under mountains of crap though, including the final shot of the plane crash. That's what keeps it from being great. What could have been a modern myth, through this generation's most important medium, ends up wasted. That's what is sad.
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This isn't religion, man. I'm not actively seeking God or the meaning of life from a TV show. They gave an answer, made it pretty clear, and that was it.
But THEY are. And the ending is pretty clear with that.
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Don't kid yourself by thinking that you and Myth are far above everyone else.
We aren't the ones telling people they are "wrong," we are just saying things are possible and that is was a cheap possibility.
Apparently, you missed this:
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The finale did what the entire show has done, which is strangely admirable. It never fell apart for the sides, and outside of Lacour, people are thinking in the same terms they always have.
We aren't saying we are better. None of it is "holier than thou" or insulting. We don't think we are smarter. And plenty in that paragraph is ADMITTING MY OWN WEAKNESS
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On the other hand, Myth and I and others, see things differently. We way the different parts of the show looking for clarity and rationality. We are often too harsh on the problems, and not positive enough about the successes. We let are own personal reasoning often get in the way of accepting the show as it is. I can easily say for Myth and myself, this has to do with character motivations and narrative. His stance on BSG is the same, he has a serious problem with how the end went down there as well. Notice, that most of us haven't asked about the island. I am satisfied, mostly, with how the island was portrayed.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:43 am to Freauxzen
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But wasn't the church the vehicle for them to "cross over" Why would Aaron be there, if the best years of his life were not on the island. Or if he had to be there, why not AT LEAST as a 3 year-old? As a baby, it just doesn't make sense. Her acceptance moment was over, so like Jack's son, Aaron should have disappeared. Aaron was never in purgatory. Only Claire was.
It's Jack's perspective only.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:43 am to PortCityTiger24
And fwiw I agree that they could have done so much more. I think the first 5 seasons were spread out and the 6th was a cram session. Doesn't mean the series was shite.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:44 am to Freauxzen
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I think that there are plenty things left up for interpretation. The crash scene during the credits I don't see how that is open to interpretation.
But it is, and plenty enough evidence supports that.
Other than the wreckage on the beach (which i think is the original wreckage) what is the other evidence? Everything they said at the end stated that everything on the island was real. If they all died in the plane crash, then they dont know Desmond, Ben, Juliet,etc.. so why are they in the church? When you and others debate things from the show, i almost always see your side of it and understand where you are coming from. I do not see this one at all, i think yall are reaching.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:46 am to Freauxzen
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And SFP is right, all of the emotion from the show came from moments of emotion viewers had already seen. Interesting.
Have to agree w/ this. I got more teary eyed watching the cast recap before the finale aired. The final two and a half hours just seemed really lazy for me (just my opinion) and really didn't hit me emotionally @ all.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:48 am to Antonio Moss
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:48 am to Freauxzen
Well then I guess we are arguing about nothing then my man.
FTR I remember Myth going apeshit when someone disagreed with him. I didn't think it was the other way around. I honestly could care less if someone else disagrees. He was just being a masive douche and that's not a 1st.
FTR I remember Myth going apeshit when someone disagreed with him. I didn't think it was the other way around. I honestly could care less if someone else disagrees. He was just being a masive douche and that's not a 1st.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:50 am to PortCityTiger24
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remember Myth going apeshit when someone disagreed with him. I didn't think it was the other way around. I honestly could care less if someone else disagrees. He was just being a masive douche and that's not a 1st.
Mostly because they were being dismissive.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:51 am to Freauxzen
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but for the most part, you are "satisfied."
For sure
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But it is, and plenty enough evidence supports that.
We'll just have to agree to disagree for now. Maybe the director's commentary on the video release will clear some things up for some.
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Or if he had to be there, why not AT LEAST as a 3 year-old?
Or why not a 30 year-old...or a 60 year old? Why? Because that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of LOST. The audience knew Aaron as a baby for most of the series and Aaron was just born in the flash-sideways. To have an older looking Aaron at the church at the end would have just promoted confusion...especially if they had to bring in a new actor to play him. The same people who are complaining about Baby Aaron would be complaining about Older Aaron right now IMHO.
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so like Jack's son, Aaron should have disappeared.
Except that Aaron was actually born in the "real" timeline. Jack never had a son.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:51 am to CocomoLSU
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I also think it had a lot to do with the whole outlook on JJ Abrams in the world.
Pretty sure Abrams reaction to the final episode was something along the lines of "I was a co-creator of that show?"
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:52 am to The Godfather
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Other than the wreckage on the beach (which i think is the original wreckage) what is the other evidence? Everything they said at the end stated that everything on the island was real. If they all died in the plane crash, then they dont know Desmond, Ben, Juliet,etc.. so why are they in the church? When you and others debate things from the show, i almost always see your side of it and understand where you are coming from. I do not see this one at all, i think yall are reaching.
99% to 1%
That's why the more I think about the ending, the more I like it. Unlike the Sopranos, which was completely left open, LOST is 99% with one ending, but, in true LOST fashion, leaves one, single easter egg for consideration.
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