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re: LOST "The Candidate" S6 E14 (Jack/Locke-centric)

Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:40 pm to
Posted by STLSU
Hallandale Beach, FL
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:40 pm to
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Right. It was a heroic act. But at least he was able to go out in typical Arab fashion by blowing up with a bomb strapped to his chest.



Posted by Gam
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
240 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:43 pm to
in reguards to MIB not letting them just blow themselves up in the plane b/c Jack wasn't going, dont you think it would have been a better idea to take them all out minus Jack and then come back for him?

Remember...Widmores people were TIMING the plane to explode so MIB would not have killed them. they would have just killed themselves. MIB would have known about the bomb but would not have forced anything on anyone. they freely get on the plane and it freely blows up.

why go through all the trouble of putting the C4 in Jacks pack, taking them to the sub and going through all the motions when he doesnt even know if they will even find the bomb in the pack or get into the sub in the first place. It just makes no sense. Seems like a big risk to take when all that needs to happen is to get them on the plane and blow them up. Deal with Jack later.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:46 pm to
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MIB not letting them just blow themselves up in the plane b/c Jack wasn't going, dont you think it would have been a better idea to take them all out minus Jack and then come back for him?


Well MIB needed an excuse to not get on the plane. His whole thing was he needed to leave. They would get pretty suspicious if he just said...ya'll go ahead without me.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:47 pm to
Btw,

MIles, Ben, and Richard were supposed to be going to blow up the plane. They should have been there well before Locke got there.

So they either changed their mind or got intercepted (e.g. by Widmore).
Posted by The Godfather
Surrounded by Assholes
Member since Mar 2005
42610 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:48 pm to
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why go through all the trouble of putting the C4 in Jacks pack, taking them to the sub and going through all the motions when he doesnt even know if they will even find the bomb in the pack or get into the sub in the first place. It just makes no sense. Seems like a big risk to take when all that needs to happen is to get them on the plane and blow them up. Deal with Jack later.




there is a better chance of them all dying if that thing blows up underwater in a sub than on that plane sitting on the ground.
Posted by Gam
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
240 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:51 pm to
Not if the plane blows up in the air. and MIB cant be killed by water because Jack pushed him in last night.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
108301 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:52 pm to
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and technically, it's Sawyer's fault, not MIB's so, we're back to square one


Yes and all the people who died in 911 weren't the responsibility of the terrorists who flew their planes into the world trade center. It was the fire and their own inability to get out in time's fault that they died.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49394 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:52 pm to
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in reguards to MIB not letting them just blow themselves up in the plane b/c Jack wasn't going, dont you think it would have been a better idea to take them all out minus Jack and then come back for him?


This assumes that all candidates need to be dead for MIB to leave. While its possible, it hasn't been proven. It is also possible that MIB can escape if all the candidates leave with him.

Jack wasn't getting on the plane, and, if MIB blows up the plane with all Jack's friends on it, good luck on every getting him to trust you enough so that you could trick him and kill him.

Maybe MIB just realized he wouldn't be able to leave with Jack still on the ground, so he grabbed the C4 and improvised.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:56 pm to
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Not if the plane blows up in the air. and MIB cant be killed by water because Jack pushed him in last night.



MIB isn't affected at all by water, even in smoke form since the second time we hear him, its pouring down rain. He just wanted to plant the seeds in Sawyer that water was his weakness.
This post was edited on 5/5/10 at 5:01 pm
Posted by Gam
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
240 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:58 pm to
Oh well, all in all the story moved forward. I just thought it was handled a little sloppy. Maybe they will prove me wrong in the last episodes as to why things were handled the way they were. IMO there were some loose ends in this one that did not make sense.
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41905 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:58 pm to
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and MIB cant be killed by water because Jack pushed him in last night.


well no fricking shite. what did you people think you were watching Signs or The Wizard of OZ????
This post was edited on 5/5/10 at 4:59 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41905 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:00 pm to
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He just wanted to plant the seeds in Sawyer that water was his weakness.


i dont think water is his weakness i just see it as in smoke form he needs land to move about - think of like the hoverboard in back to the future 2

This post was edited on 5/5/10 at 5:01 pm
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32709 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:01 pm to
It did seem to me that the water may have temporarily weakened him...or maybe I'm just reading too much into it.
Posted by BhamTigah
Lurker since Jan 2003
Member since Jan 2007
17610 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:04 pm to
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think of like the hoverboard in back to the future 2


First, time travel. Now,smokie and hoverboards with the same properties.

If Jacob shows up in a freaking Delorean, all bets are off.
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:05 pm to
I believe the writers very nearly screwed up this whole bomb thing or at the very least are cutting it way too close. If Jack had not told Sawyer he had a choice as to whether he tried to disarm the bomb, then Sawyer can in no way be responsible for the bomb going off. Trying to disarm the bomb is a normal response in that situation. If the writers were being true to their logic then Sawyer disarming the bomb would have had the same effect as not disarming it. That being no explosion. But because of the warning by Jack, Sawyer did have a choice and his disarming caused the explosion.

I'm not saying this is what the writers intended. I'm just speaking from an internal logic standpoint.
This post was edited on 5/5/10 at 5:09 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:07 pm to
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i dont think water is his weakness i just see it as in smoke form he needs land to move about - think of like the hoverboard in back to the future 2



The Island does have a confirmed barrier around it, to where that is what is keeping it at bay and not the water.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32709 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:08 pm to
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Btw,

MIles, Ben, and Richard were supposed to be going to blow up the plane. They should have been there well before Locke got there.

So they either changed their mind or got intercepted (e.g. by Widmore).


We are left to wonder what all of them were up to while everything else was happening. I really can't imagine what Miles, Ben and Richard are up to. I think that Widmore and Zoey are most likely trying to track down Desmond to get him to do something with the EM sources on the Island. Methinks Widmore has plans for another quantum event.
This post was edited on 5/5/10 at 5:09 pm
Posted by STLSU
Hallandale Beach, FL
Member since Dec 2004
14846 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:12 pm to
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OMLandshark



Why did Kate's name get crossed off from the cave wall? People have been saying, oh it's because MIB doesn't need her anymore. I don't understand this line of thinking.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49394 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:13 pm to
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We are left to wonder what all of them were up to while everything else was happening. I really can't imagine what Miles, Ben and Richard are up to.


Speaking of this, did anyone else notice the crazy-arse time frame of last night's episode.

When Jack wakes up, it's night. He gets everyone else out of the cages at night.

But when they get to the plane it's daytime.

It's still daytime when they get to sub and get in.

But after they escape the sub, it's pitch black outside.

I guess traversing the wilderness ate up most of the daylight. But I am certain that not a lot of time passed from the time they got in the sub until the time they swam out.
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41905 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:13 pm to
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The Island does have a confirmed barrier around it, to where that is what is keeping it at bay and not the water.


by this theory he should be able to smoke on over to hydra island just cant smoke on over to Australia
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