re: LOST "Across the Sea" S6.E15 (Jacob/MIB Centric)

haha... i forgot, but the guy didn't mean too..

i am sure its glandular..

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The thing that baffled me most about the episode was MIB's explanation for what the frick he was doing with the wheel. I need to rewatch that scene and pay closer attention to what he says, but his explanation for how the light + the water + the wheel were supposed to get him off the island made no sense to me. Then she asked him how he knew it would work and his response was, "I just know."




I was just about to ask about this. It made no sense.

I'm going to build this wheel to connect with the light and water, and it will take me away. How does he know that?

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He can talk to dead people. Maybe one of them gave him some insider info.

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While I agree with your overall premise that pretty much everything on this show takes a lot of imagination to believe, I did find it strange that the same people that were hunting wild pigs with spears were 20-30 years later harnessing electromagnetic power. If they were so smart it seems like they would have invented the freakin' bow and arrow a few years before dealing with the electromagnetic power.

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It's all relative though. All we saw was them killing with a spear.

In the world today, we have precision weapons like guns and rifles to hunt with, yet for a few months every year, people go hunting with bows and arrows, which is archaeic technology when compared to the precision of rifles. I guess what I mean is that just because one aspect of a group is present, that doesn't prove that greater thinking isn't possible. In that regard, we still have people to this day on Earth that live in villages and hunt with spears and other primitive technology, yet in another part of the world, we have scientists (i.e. "VERY smart people," in the words of MIB) creating mini black holes by slamming particles together in a large hadron collider. If you were on the outside looking in, and only saw the tribes in villages, you'd be shocke to know that this civilization was capable of greater things (like black holes, nuclear weapons, etc.).

I think people like to inject FAR too much thinking into Lost...and I honestly think that is one of its biggest problems. I think that the producers and writers of Lost have gotten so caught up in the theories of the masses, that they've kinda lost sight of what they originally wanted to do from the beginning. It's like they've thrown us so many curveballs that they can't go back and make everything right or logical.

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I think (if we relate it to 815) that the mother has been the protector of the Schlighterbahn for a very long time-she didnt age as the boys grew older

she's looking for a replacement. Two infants (i.e. candidates) come along, and finally, she has an opportunity to pass on and leave the protection up to somebody else. Up until this point all the humans she encountered weren't worthy enough.

She raises the two and molds them hoping that one of the two will be worthy enough, and her money's riding on MIB. It doesnt go according to plan, and her "favorite" turns, leaving Jacob as the next best, suitable option. She readjusts her plan, puts Jacob in the position to take over, and does all the things necessary to get MIB so pissed off, he kills her, thereby releasing her of her duties.

so, initially, she gave them some protective powers, but not the full boat till she had decided on one

sort-of the same way Jacob's protecting the candidates till one stands out amongst the rest

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I agree with just about all of that.

It's all about protecting the island from the rest of the world, and vice versa. If people get to the island and try to harness its power, then bad things happen. If the island's power gets off the island into the world (MIB), bad things happen. She was protector of all of that, and finally wanted a replacement, which she found in the twins. I agree that she wanted it to be MIB (and even Jacob recognized this), but it ended up being Jacob.

Now, Jacob is looking for the same thing..a replacement. He is done. And this whole time it's been a battle of wits, per se, between he and MIB to keep MIB there. Now, he has to find a replacement to keep MIB (the island's energy/power) on the island for the safety of the world. And the whole time, MIB's mission of getting off the island has never changed...he's just never had the tools (the right people) to do it.

I saw that last night. Pretty funny.


"Stuck for all eternity on a metaphysically incomprehensible island? Are you tired of the same ole black rock white rock game?"

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It's all about protecting the island from the rest of the world, and vice versa. If people get to the island and try to harness its power, then bad things happen. If the island's power gets off the island into the world (MIB), bad things happen. She was protector of all of that, and finally wanted a replacement, which she found in the twins. I agree that she wanted it to be MIB (and even Jacob recognized this), but it ended up being Jacob.

Now, Jacob is looking for the same thing..a replacement. He is done. And this whole time it's been a battle of wits, per se, between he and MIB to keep MIB there. Now, he has to find a replacement to keep MIB (the island's energy/power) on the island for the safety of the world. And the whole time, MIB's mission of getting off the island has never changed...he's just never had the tools (the right people) to do it.

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What Im having a hard time reconciling with this is.....


Mother setup her own death by MIB and at the same time setup the reaction of Jacob. I would have to think that she had a strong feeling of what Jacob would do after discovering her death. She knows that Jacob cant kill MIB but she had to believe he would be thrown into the light thus producing the MIB/Smokey hybrid but why?

So I'm guessing that Widmore has been spending all this time trying to get back to the island because he knows about the light and is trying to harness it? I know he was there in the 50s, then left, what is his motive for going back?

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everyone in this show except for Hurley has either killed, lied, cheated or stolen....

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Do chickens count, cause if they do Hurley has killed a lot of chickens in his time.

I was a little disappointed with the episode, but not as much as some, because I still have faith that some of the questions regarding the game will be answered. Did I think they would be answered last night? Yes, but just because they weren't doesn't mean they won't be answered later. I don't understand some of the posts I've read that said last night's episode somehow blew the game theory out of the water. I think it confirmed it with little brother's comments to Jacob that he would one day get to make up the rules to a game. This also gave me hope that we would still learn Jacob's rules.

The thing I have been most disappointed with this entire season has been the way in which reveals have been presented. I feel like I'm being spoonfed. First we had characters just casually mentioning the answer to a mystery. Then last night, the Adam and Eve answer was delivered terribly. I loved the answer, but there was no reason to waste time replaying the Losties discovering the bodies. As soon as Jacob placed the bodies there with the stones, 99% of viewers would have gotten the connection.

I agree with most that the wine drinking was symbolic, but I think it would have been cooler if mom had dipped the cup into the "light water" and had Jacob drink that. It would have given the light a more desirable quality as a sort of fountain of youth.

Speaking of the light, some have mentioned that Smokie absorbed at least some of the light. Perhaps this explains the flashes of light we see in his body.

One reveal we got last night that I haven't seen discussed much was that Jacob is incapable of lying. I guess we can trust what we have learned from Jacob thus far. MIB, not so much.

I had other thoughts, but they have either already been beaten to death in this thread or I forgot them after reading through all of the bitching.

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I agree with most that the wine drinking was symbolic, but I think it would have been cooler if mom had dipped the cup into the "light water" and had Jacob drink that. It would have given the light a more desirable quality as a sort of fountain of youth.

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I took it as an almost direct correlation with Catholicism. It was just too similar to drinking the wine in Mass (the blood of Christ). I took it as a way to show Jacob putting faith in the "blood of the island" (the wine), and thus becoming it's protector. It also works because just as priests bles the wine before giving it out, so did his "mother" (blessed/cursed/whatever).