re: LOST "Across the Sea" S6.E15 (Jacob/MIB Centric)

So what are everyone's ideas on how the alt timeline fits into everything?

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all i am saying is that black and white is relative.


we can fight over who is bad and who is good and why they are all we want but it proves nothing.

Jacob is good because he listens to his elders... but he doesn't have a problem beating the hell out of MIB every opportunity he gets pissed off this episode.

MIB is bad because he wants to leave.... but he sure doesn't try to hurt anyone until he is finally pushed over the edge after his "mother" kills all his people and burns his bathroom down.

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I agree.. They obviously wanted us to feel for MIB and understand the evil inside him. Well we do and if I was him Id be one hella pissed of plume of black smoke.

I'm starting to think that the whole thing is a twist. Jacob continues to bring man the Island to show that they can be good. I wonder if he's setting up the possibility of releasing the light if he wins "the game"...... "It only ends once..everthing else is Progress"

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quote: And MIB's squad must have had some serious fricking geniuses in order to devise the shite that they were building. He did say "I'm with some very smart people" I don't understand why that's not good enough. It was a way for them to address it without having to hand-feed answers to the audience. Lost fanatics are hilarious. One day they're bitching because nothing was answered. The next is because what was answered wasn't good enough. Or because it doesnt fit into "reality." Like people bitching about them being able to build something to harness the island's light/energy. MIB saying that he was with some VERY smart people, and that they built something to harness it was easily good enough for me. If they would have spent 10 minutes trying to show us exactly what device/structure was built to harness that energy, it would have been unnecessary, and half the people here would have complained that it wasn't logical or possible or good enough. We're watching a show where an island can jump through time, people can time travel and jump beetween alternate UNIVERSES, dead people can come back to life, some guy can turn into a fricking smoke monster that sounds like it's mechanical, a pool of water heals all wounds/illnesses, one touch from a man can make people not die, etc...and you people are complaining that something is farfetched? Give me a fricking break.

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While I agree with your overall premise that pretty much everything on this show takes a lot of imagination to believe, I did find it strange that the same people that were hunting wild pigs with spears were 20-30 years later harnessing electromagnetic power. If they were so smart it seems like they would have invented the freakin' bow and arrow a few years before dealing with the electromagnetic power.

But I'm still enjoying the ride the show has taken me on.

I am still hopeful for the finale. It could knock my socks off. But if after the finale I realize that bascially 3-4 whole seasons of this show could have been cut out and we would have missed nothing, I am going to be pissed.

you cant cut out 3 or 4 seasons...

instead of looking at island events during those seasons, look at character events and development

the show isn't a study in metaphysical happenings.

the show is a study of people and how they react to each other... every so often a metaphysical happening is thrown in to push the story along after an arc has grown weary or has completed.

Dharma was very much necessary because it helped us build relationships between sawyer and juliet... sawyer and miles.. and a few other minor relationships.

you could argue that if they weren't transported to the past sawyer and juliet never realize they are meant to be together. and also that sawyer and miles and sawyer and jin never really blossom into a good relationship.

why?

in dharma these people were alone, so it was much easier to trust each other than these people from the past.

so basically that era helps us develop characters and relationships as well as push the story into the direction of the flash sideways.... (i think the bomb formed the flash sideways, which will eventually become the new timeline).

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Jack saw MIB posing as his dad. He told Jack that a few episodes back. Not sure about Ben, i cant really remember what happened when he saw his mom, i would be willing to bet though that it was MIB

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little Ben was just listening to an argument b/w his father and Horace, and he saw his mom outside his window (MIB). He went outside and saw her again outside the fences. So MIB can project these fake people past the fence, and even off island (like Christian and Claire appearing to Jack and Kate, respectively).

It just seems to me at this time that they were heading in one direction with the Dharma story and completely changed it midway through the show. I'm probably wrong, but that's what it looks like to me.

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I happen to think the wine is purely symbolic, and in and of itself has no physical properties to make someone immortal

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This is the correct answer. It was just to symbolize his accepting the role of protector. Mother gave him the powers.

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Hurley is the only person that hasn't really done anything bad.

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Hurley has killed before.