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re: Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power trailers (updated with new comic con trailer)
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:48 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:48 am to OMLandshark
What themes are ruined by the black actors.
Name a theme and explain how black people ruin it.
Name a theme and explain how black people ruin it.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 11:49 am
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:57 am to Nerd
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This trailer looks really good. I think it’s definitely something that Christopher Tolkien would be proud of.
What do you think JRR would think of this trailer and changing of his themes and characters?
You do not have to guess, you can just go look up what he said ab
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:20 pm to RLDSC FAN
Trailer looks great. Wheel of Time trailers looked great too.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:26 pm to Scoob
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I hope we get similar here
How they changed Galadriel should remove those hopes. She won't be the only change like that.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 1:17 pm to FreddieMac
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What do you think JRR would think of this trailer and changing of his themes and characters?
Who cares what GRR thinks. He’s a dead racist hack.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 7/15/22 at 1:28 pm to imjustafatkid
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Wheel of Time trailers looked great too.
Did they though?
Posted on 7/15/22 at 1:48 pm to Centinel
quote:Why, because she carries a sword?
How they changed Galadriel should remove those hopes
Frankly, that doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bug others here. The Noldor started wearing arms in Valinor before they left, Feanor had stirred that up.
They didn't go to Middle-Earth on a pilgrimage to Lake Cuivienen, they left against the Valar's express wishes to wage war on Morgoth. After he was defeated, the Valar wanted them to come back to the West, but Galadriel and a number of others REFUSED.
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Pride still moved her when, at the end of the Elder Days after the final overthrow of Morgoth, she refused the pardon of the Valar for all who had fought against him, and remained in Middle Earth. It was not until two long ages more had passed, when at last all that she had desired in her youth came to her hand, the Ring of Power and the domination of Middle Earth of which she had dreamed, and her wisdom was full grown and she rejected it, and passing the last test departed from Middle Earth forever.
Consider, at that point her brothers and cousins are dead, all the great Elven kingdoms of Beleriand are gone, and Beleriand itself has sunk into the sea. Yet depending on which text or Tolkien letter you choose to accept, she's still either refusing, or is outright banned from returning to Valinor.
Either option would indicate she's not yet the calm, wise and mellow queen of Lothlorien we see in LOTR.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 2:17 pm to The Godfather
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Did they though?
As someone who wasn't familiar with the series, I thought they did, so I guess my perspective may be different from someone who knows and loves the books.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 2:18 pm to imjustafatkid
I dont know the books at all and i was very excited for the show, its just looked low quality to me even in the trailers
Posted on 7/15/22 at 3:07 pm to Scoob
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Frankly, that doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bug others here.
I am not sure the issue is her carrying a sword and more about the rewriting of the basic forms these characters take. Galadriel was not a warrior princess. She was a princess of a noble house in what is meant to be pre-Norman conquest Anglo/Saxon mythology. If you believe that she would have gone to battle in armor and sword, you really do not understand the gender roles Tolken followed. Those gender roles were not of Tolken's design, it was the nature of the time period. No one really cares that Eowyn carried a sword. She was a shieldmaden, that is within her character arch. Arwen carried a sword, but you did not see her running off to battle hordes of orcs. Why? Because she is the princess of a noble house in a pre Norman conquest Anglo/Saxon society.
The problems I think most have is what they see as the forcing of modern politics into LOTR. I am sorry, but Galadriel is not a warrior princess like Xena, that is not how her character exhibited her power and leadership. Elrond was not a meek person. He understood the threat of Sauron. That is why he protected the dependents of Isiadore for hundreds of years. Just that one fact is ignored in the trailer because they need Galadriel to look more wise than Elrond. So they rewrite basic "facts" of the mythology to write what they believe should be, not as it was written by Tolkein.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 7/15/22 at 3:11 pm to The Godfather
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Wheel of Time trailers looked great too.
Did they though?
I will say, Wheel of Time trailers didn't impress me a lot. I was more sucked in by knowing (about) the books, and expected, based on some of the other Prime shows I'd seen, a competent effort with an acceptable level of visual "realism" in sets, costumes etc.
Didn't expect Game of Thrones, but thought it would be closer to that, than to Legend of the Seeker or Xena. Turned out, it wasn't.
Game of Thrones has set the bar for production values, especially for a series on a service you have to pay for. I want episodes to look and feel like pieces of a movie, and that's something I will demand from this.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 3:12 pm to Scoob
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I want episodes to look and feel like pieces of a movie, and that's something I will demand from this.
at $58 million per episode it damn well better
Posted on 7/15/22 at 4:10 pm to Socrates Johnson
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I hope you one day find out what a boob feels like
I’m sure if you keep giving into them you will feel a trans from behind you sticking it to you like your ole lady gets it.
I bet you soft pussies let your ole ladies walk all over you like the show runners are doing to GOT and this Amazon LOTR.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 7/15/22 at 4:31 pm to CP3LSU25
Critical Drinker’s review of the trailer points out a line we’ve all missed and means we’re in deep shite:
A little ominous. Basically saying “Either agree with our rendition of this, or go and die.” And he points out that we’ve heard this almost verbatim from the only franchise that can compare to it in terms of popularity:
We all know it’s fricked, but to point this out makes you a racist according to Sammy who hasn’t read a fricking page of the novels.
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The past is dead. We either move forward, or we die with it.
A little ominous. Basically saying “Either agree with our rendition of this, or go and die.” And he points out that we’ve heard this almost verbatim from the only franchise that can compare to it in terms of popularity:
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Let the past die. Kill it if you have to.
-Kylo Ren
We all know it’s fricked, but to point this out makes you a racist according to Sammy who hasn’t read a fricking page of the novels.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 7/15/22 at 6:20 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Or, you know, Galadriel is having a hard time moving on past something.
Critical Drinker’s review of the trailer points out a line we’ve all missed and means we’re in deep shite:
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The past is dead. We either move forward, or we die with it.
A little ominous. Basically saying “Either agree with our rendition of this, or go and die.” And he points out that we’ve heard this almost verbatim from the only franchise that can compare to it in terms of popularity:
quote:
Let the past die. Kill it if you have to.
-Kylo Ren
It could be Celebrimbor, who is grandson of Feanor.
Galadriel was famously at odds with Feanor and his sons in Tolkien's texts. Feanor started all this shite in the first place, and his Oath led to much, much suffering all throughout the First Age. Ultimately cost most of the Noldor who came across, and most of the Teleri who stayed behind in the first place. Her brothers, uncle and cousins are all gone, and so is Thingol and Doriath, with Melian (who she spent time learning under). Wouldn't be that hard to think she might want to throw Celebrimbor off a cliff, to rid the world of one more Feanorian.
Elrond fits in that conversation, since he and Elros were taken captive and then raised by Maglor, one of the sons of Feanor.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 6:49 pm to Scoob
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It could be Celebrimbor, who is grandson of Feanor.
Galadriel was famously at odds with Feanor and his sons in Tolkien's texts. Feanor started all this shite in the first place, and his Oath led to much, much suffering all throughout the First Age. Ultimately cost most of the Noldor who came across, and most of the Teleri who stayed behind in the first place. Her brothers, uncle and cousins are all gone, and so is Thingol and Doriath, with Melian (who she spent time learning under). Wouldn't be that hard to think she might want to throw Celebrimbor off a cliff, to rid the world of one more Feanorian.
Elrond fits in that conversation, since he and Elros were taken captive and then raised by Maglor, one of the sons of Feanor
Dude, Celebrimbor is this in the series:
Sorry, you’re giving this way too much of the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:48 pm to fdanon
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Holy crap. Some of y’all in here need to go outside and breath some fresh air. I get it but y’all beating a dead horse. It is comical. It likes y’all the long lost cousins of the Tolkien family that didn’t get a cut of the money.
Spoken like one who never picked up any of Tolkien's books.
Well spoken.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:51 pm to OMLandshark
Drinker, who is an author himself, knows at thing or two about story foundation and character development.
He knows shite when he sees it, and this woke Rangs of Prime is definitely shite.
He knows shite when he sees it, and this woke Rangs of Prime is definitely shite.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:52 pm to SammyTiger
quote:If they explain how a sub-race of elves developed, there is no issue.
What themes are ruined by the black actors.
Name a theme and explain how black people ruin it.
If they do not, there is no reason to be
Posted on 7/15/22 at 8:03 pm to Roaad
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If they explain how a sub-race of elves developed, there is no issue.
You are invited to exit the thread.
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