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re: Lord of the Rings: one of the most overrated movie trilogies of all time
Posted on 5/6/26 at 12:59 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 5/6/26 at 12:59 pm to Freauxzen
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Jake Lloyd's fairly bad acting
Give the kid a break. He played the role he was supposed to be playing: a naive, young boy who was born extremely strong with the Force yet didn’t know how to use his powers.
The way fans treated him after the release of The Phantom Menace was abhorrent. He didn’t deserve any of that crap. And neither did Hayden.
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 1:02 pm
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Posted on 5/6/26 at 1:13 pm to JasonDBlaha
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That’s your opinion, and I’m allowed to have my own too.
And we are allowed to point out that your is, in fact, retarded.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 1:14 pm to JasonDBlaha
those movies are terrible. 
I will now do the opposite of everything you say now.
I will now do the opposite of everything you say now.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 1:20 pm to JasonDBlaha
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Give the kid a break.
I did say fairly bad acting, so yes I gave him a break.
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The way fans treated him after the release of The Phantom Menace was abhorrent.
100%. But that doesn't make his acting better.
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He didn’t deserve any of that crap. And neither did Hayden.
Hayden is actually a cool dude it seems. And no they don't deserve. But that doesn't mean you can't criticize the performance. Now a good chunk of that is dialog - and that's on Lucas.
But still, the prequels, while a good time, have issues that LOTR movies don't have. It's a bad comparison.
There are really only two substantial critiques that hold weight for LOTR.
1) How much of the books they had to cut
2) The multiple endings of RotK
Other than those two things - most quibbles are just that, quibbles. They are phenomenal movies that set and do exactly what they want to do.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 1:25 pm to DavidACoe
They gave a compelling backstory to the original trilogy. Sure, the dialogue was spotty, but that’s what made them so memorable and beloved. Lucas gave it his all to make those films a unique look while being fun to watch.
There’s a reason why more and more people love the prequels now. People are starting to give them the appreciation they should have gotten back when they were released.
Don’t think so? ROTS was re-released last year and made over the $40 million in box office sales.
There’s a reason why more and more people love the prequels now. People are starting to give them the appreciation they should have gotten back when they were released.
Don’t think so? ROTS was re-released last year and made over the $40 million in box office sales.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 1:29 pm to JasonDBlaha
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They gave a compelling backstory to the original trilogy. Sure, the dialogue was spotty, but that’s what made them so memorable and beloved. Lucas gave it his all to make those films a unique look while being fun to watch.
There’s a reason why more and more people love the prequels now. People are starting to give them the appreciation they should have gotten back when they were released.
Don’t think so? ROTS was re-released last year and made over the $40 million in box office sales.
Do you think this has more to do with the actual quality of the movies (look even RotJ was a spotty, unpolished film, so the Prequels weren't the first problem).
Or is it more related to how bad Star Wars as a universe has become. How broken and how empty it is so that politickers can imbue any stupid idea they have into the universe and "subvert our expectations?"
People want a simpler time when someone could just try to tell a story, however crazy or bad it was. 10 years ago, this board would have bashed TPM a bit more, and we did. Now that we see what "modern" film makers are doing, we just want the non-political stuff back, even if it was flawed.
And none of that supports with your original premise that LOTR is bad. Because they aren't. At all. glad we could agree on that
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 5/6/26 at 1:32 pm to JasonDBlaha
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It’s literally three movies about people walking to a fricking volcano.
...and you called it not simple enough to follow.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 1:46 pm to JasonDBlaha
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It’s a high fantasy story that requires you to have read all of the books to even have the slightest understanding of what’s going in on.
I've never read a page of LOTR and was able to follow the original trilogy as a teenager...seems like a you problem. They explain everything well and literally have long narration sequences.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 1:48 pm to Freauxzen
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And none of that supports with your original premise that LOTR is bad. Because they aren't. At all. glad we could agree on that
I think that we (LOTR fans and Star Wars) fans can all come to an agreement that the movie industry absolutely sucks now and is in a dire spot. While I do think that the LOTR story can be a little difficult to understand at first and it’s never been my cup of tea, the Peter Jackson films are much better than any of the Amazon remakes.
Filmmaking standards in the early 2000s were much higher than they are now and that’s a problem.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 2:11 pm to Scoob
quote:"Vader can SENSE the FORCE". Because Luke has begun training while Leia has none. Ay?
Vader can sense the Force in Luke while dogfighting over the Death Star, but can't pick up anything from Leia despite personally torturing and interrogating her, then holding her physically while her planet is destroyed in front of her.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 2:30 pm to JasonDBlaha
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While I do think that the LOTR story can be a little difficult to understand at first
I'm actually going to disagree with most here, while I absolutely love the movies - I actually think a good bit of weight was lost in translation from book to screen.
The idea that Tolkien was trying to create a mythos for the UK (akin to say Norse mythology) is missing. The idea that there are huge Christian undertones to the work - also missing.
It's not that it's hard to understand, but the films do represent a more superficial take on LOTR. They are very much "films," and very good ones, not true LOTR representation.
I think that's what your sensing "is this it?" Per the Kevin Smith joke - they are just walking. And what gets carried for people who read the books - they can still get that feeling, they still feel the weight of the books even when they watch the movie. They assume Tom Bombadil exists. Etc.
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I think that we (LOTR fans and Star Wars) fans can all come to an agreement that the movie industry absolutely sucks now and is in a dire spot. While I do think that the LOTR story can be a little difficult to understand at first and it’s never been my cup of tea, the Peter Jackson films are much better than any of the Amazon remakes.
Filmmaking standards in the early 2000s were much higher than they are now and that’s a problem.
But still, glad you came around.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 4:24 pm to GeauxLSUBengalTigers
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"Vader can SENSE the FORCE". Because Luke has begun training while Leia has none. Ay?
At this point, Ben had only put a blast helmet on his head and told him "reach out with your feelings", then did the disembodied voice "use the Force, Luke" thing while lining up on his run.
We've pretty thoroughly established over the years, you can use the Force (have midichlorians) or you can't. If you can't, no amount of training will enable it.
Qui-Gon sensed Anakin, who was untrained. So yeah, Anakin was pod-racing and unconsciously using the Force to do so; Leia had been put in all types of danger at that point (being hunted by stormtroopers on the ship, we can now add being kidnapped as a kid). Also, she has extensive experience debating in the Senate, and is now confronted by Vader etc and is trying to convince them she doesn't know about the Rebellion. Certainly some persuasion (aka "jedi mind trick?") could be useful, especially when she's pleading for her life or the survival of her planet.
So, Vader picks up that she has considerable resistance to the mind probes, and just says "frick it, whatever".
And note also, Vader has her twice. Both the original movie, and ESB. He never suspects anything.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 4:37 pm to Scoob
Another incoherence from Star Wars-
Original movie, tracking down the droids on Tatooine.
"Lord Vader, we have traced the droids to this address, and will proceed to search it".
Vader: hmm, that's my stepbrother's house where my mother lived and died, and basic records and general questioning show there's a teen with my last name living there (I mean, Luke wants to submit his application to the Academy, so unless he's doing it as Luke Lars, he's going by Skywalker). "Yeah, just kill everyone there, nothing deeper to look into".
When you consider that, it's a serious WTF moment.
Original movie, tracking down the droids on Tatooine.
"Lord Vader, we have traced the droids to this address, and will proceed to search it".
Vader: hmm, that's my stepbrother's house where my mother lived and died, and basic records and general questioning show there's a teen with my last name living there (I mean, Luke wants to submit his application to the Academy, so unless he's doing it as Luke Lars, he's going by Skywalker). "Yeah, just kill everyone there, nothing deeper to look into".
When you consider that, it's a serious WTF moment.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 4:57 pm to Scoob
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this point, Ben had only put a blast helmet on his head and told him "reach out with your feelings", then did the disembodied voice "use the Force, Luke" thing while lining up on his run. We've pretty thoroughly established over the years, you can use the Force (have midichlorians) or you can't. If you can't, no amount of training will enable it. Qui-Gon sensed Anakin, who was untrained. So yeah, Anakin was pod-racing and unconsciously using the Force to do so; Leia had been put in all types of danger at that point (being hunted by stormtroopers on the ship, we can now add being kidnapped as a kid). Also, she has extensive experience debating in the Senate, and is now confronted by Vader etc and is trying to convince them she doesn't know about the Rebellion. Certainly some persuasion (aka "jedi mind trick?") could be useful, especially when she's pleading for her life or the survival of her planet. So, Vader picks up that she has considerable resistance to the mind probes, and just says "frick it, whatever".
Luke was born with the force, but nowhere near the amount of midichlorians that Anakin had. Qui-Gon detected that Anakin had like over 20,000 midichlorians which lead them to think that he was The Chosen One.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 5:01 pm to Scoob
The Imperial stormtroopers were ruthless and showed no mercy. That’s the entire point of why they killed Luke’s point. They were indiscriminate and would wipe out hundreds of thousands of otherwise peaceful people to find the culprit who stole droids.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 5:12 pm to JasonDBlaha
quote:Ok
Luke was born with the force, but nowhere near the amount of midichlorians that Anakin had. Qui-Gon detected that Anakin had like over 20,000 midichlorians which lead them to think that he was The Chosen One.
even given the fact that Vader can't detect Leia when he puts her under duress TWICE up close and personal, vs him sensing Luke in a dogfight with an hour's worth of training
Vader, the Emperor's chosen dude, doesn't do the slightest background check when the droids are traced back to his mother's old neighborhood?
Hey, that's her old house, who's living there now. My stepbrother, still?
Records now show a fricking SKYWALKER living there with him?
"Sir, we're about to go in with flamethrowers. Should we proceed?"
My point with this goes back to the original supposition, that the LOTR trilogy is way inferior to, for example, Star Wars, which makes perfect sense in comparison.
LOTR stands up to deeper scrutiny than what I just did with Star Wars. You'd be hard-pressed to find something so "why didn't they do this instead?" in LOTR.
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 5/6/26 at 5:49 pm to JasonDBlaha
quote:That's all fine and dandy...
The Imperial stormtroopers were ruthless and showed no mercy. That’s the entire point of why they killed Luke’s point. They were indiscriminate and would wipe out hundreds of thousands of otherwise peaceful people to find the culprit who stole droids.
But they weren't after the droids, as much as the information one contained. Death Star plans. Which apparently could be downloaded and transmitted.
If Owen, for example, had been a Rebel collaborator, he could have downloaded them and sent them in another manner. Or copied them and sent multiple off. Or had them transferred to another droid, etc, in the day he had R2 in his possession. None of which the Empire bothered to check out before incinerating the place.
The whole point was to contain the data breech and secure it before it could be disseminated.
Like I said, the holes appear when you examine it deeply.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:57 pm to Scoob
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Like I said, the holes appear when you examine it deeply
You’re right, but the point of Star Wars is that it’s not supposed to be a super nitty-gritty story with details. It’s a space opera based heavily on lore and grand scale world building. It doesn’t need to have a perfect story with no plot holes to be enjoyable.
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:24 pm to JasonDBlaha
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the Peter Jackson films are much better than any of the Amazon remakes.
a retarded Somalian could have figured this out in under 5 minutes
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:24 pm to JasonDBlaha
quote:So, what's the problem with LOTR again?
the point of Star Wars is that it’s not supposed to be a super nitty-gritty story with details. It’s a space opera based heavily on lore and grand scale world building. It doesn’t need to have a perfect story with no plot holes to be enjoyable.
It's a good drama, but at the same time it's got plenty of fun action and adventure. You dont need to lock in tightly to enjoy the combat scenes in Moria, Helms Deep or Minas Tirith
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