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re: Looks like Disney might be coming to grips with what they have done to the SW franchise
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:57 pm to Baloo
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:57 pm to Baloo
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er first four Star Wars movies (Force Awakens, Rogue One, Last Jedi and Solo) have averaged $1.2b worldwide. That’s the biggest “average” gross for any franchise ever, even considering inflation, overseas expansion and 3D/IMAX/D-Box bumps.
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The first five MCU movies (Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America) earned $2.3 billion total on a combined budget of around $780 million. That averages out to $458m per movie.
So, we're going to compare the first 4 movies setting up a film franchise to 7-10 of one of the most beloved franchises of all time that is over 40 years old? Seems legit.
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Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:02 pm to TigerFanatic99
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This is all part of a larger bigoted backlash of complaints against Star Wars for incorporating people of color and other types of diversity into the previously predominantly white male storytelling.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:09 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:11 pm to TigerFanatic99
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segment of mostly male (and mostly white) fans
LOL,
That is the excuse for every ill today. Really TLJ was just not a star wars movie. It was a hot mess. If they need to tell themselves that is the reason why people did not like it, so be it. All I know is that Solo was the first Star Wars moving I have not seen nor plan to see in the theaters. I just cannot stand the MCU /SJW treatment of Star Wars. Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:12 pm to Wolf
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I was never going to waste my money in theaters because
- Hans back story is not one that needed telling on screen.
- There was no way that any actor (much less the schmuck that ended up getting the part) could do that role the justice it deserved.
-It's an origin story with all the limitations that come with it. Predetermined plot points and character meet ups. No stakes because all the familiar faces have to survive. The whole concept is very paint by numbers.
ding ding ding
it wasnt a bad movie and young Han wasn't terrible, but it is utterly inessential. releasing something just because of IP is pretty transparent. plus a ton of bad press leading up to it. asking people to pay $10-15 a pop to go see something like that is tough.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:16 pm to Jester
quote:Completely disingenuous.
So, we're going to compare the first 4 movies setting up a film franchise to 7-10 of one of the most beloved franchises of all time that is nearly over 40 years old? Seems legit.
Since the summer of 2016, MCU has had 7 movies released and SW has 4 (But Fatigue!!!). Those 7 have averaged 1.1 Billion globally with the last two being the most: Black Panther (1.35 billion) and IW (2 billion). They were released less than 3 months apart (But Fatigue!!!).
In a fair comparison, the averages are almost equal, but the latest MCU movies are much better movies and pulling in much more money. The value there is increasing while SW is decreasing (simply from a BO standpoint).
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:32 pm to ell_13
I'd never seen the numbers run, but my example among my friends on FB who have discussed Solo's lack of box office success with respect to Star Wars fatigue has been the MCU. If someone else owned Marvel, then it wouldn't be an apples to apples comparison with respect to corporate ecosystem.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:36 pm to OMLandshark
Great article. I Disagree that Tfa was horrible. It certainly was safe but if VIII knocked down all of the pins set up by Abrams it would have been incredible. It was all there.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:38 pm to VoxDawg
Another bad excuse people have been using is the "There are no stakes" line. We know that people will see prequels for already established/introduced characters. And that's not limited to the MCU. Wonder Woman anyone?
I wouldn't call the MCU and SW an apples to apples comparison though. The way the world's were built is very different and so is the core audience (although it can be argued that with each franchise having a 2 billion dollar movie, everyone is your audience).
I wouldn't call the MCU and SW an apples to apples comparison though. The way the world's were built is very different and so is the core audience (although it can be argued that with each franchise having a 2 billion dollar movie, everyone is your audience).
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:39 pm to League Champs
quote:How could that be done without a dream sequence?
and going to GREATLY repair the damage done by TLJ in Episode 9.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:49 pm to VoxDawg
It isn't apples to apples anyway. Marvel has a large number of stories with huge characters that can stand on their own. Fatigue is never going to be a problem in the MCU. Star Wars doesn't have anything close to that.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:50 pm to AlxTgr
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How could that be done without a dream sequence?
Time travel.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 3:24 pm to Tiger Ryno
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I Disagree that Tfa was horrible. It certainly was safe but if VIII knocked down all of the pins set up by Abrams it would have been incredible. It was all there
Yep. "The Last Jedi" retroactively made "The Force Awakens" a worse movie than it was originally, at least in my opinion.
I liked "Awakens" when it originally came out, completely understood the unoriginal gripes people had, but it felt and looked like a Star Wars movie. It did a decent enough job with the original characters and introduced the new kids well enough, leaving me intrigued to find out more about most of them.....but then 2017 came along with "The Last Jedi" and shite on everything, destroying any good will that "The Force Awakens" had earned. I don't think any of the new characters developed in anyway, other than maybe Kylo.
Probably not a necessary post since this shite gets rehashed all the time, but it sort of fits here.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 4:00 pm to Sasquatch Smash
A better thought out third act could've saved a lot of tears for the franchise.
Holdo forcing the evac behind a moon then jumping and luring the FO into an asteroid field, sun, or Alderaan debris.
You get the fleet damage then FO limping back to assault a real rebel front line.
Finn and rose could've escaped from BB further causing chaos in the hanger. Or
Rode down and fought Phasma for control of the door knocked.
Luke could've done his thing and just levitated the X-wing up, instead of fading.l into the force.
A lot of good ideas on here and other boards could have made a less poorly received movie.
It is what it is. I'll still watch 9 to see how it all goes. Still kinda weird that Disney can do the original trilogy with Pirates 15 years ago. But went in without plotting this one all the way out.
Holdo forcing the evac behind a moon then jumping and luring the FO into an asteroid field, sun, or Alderaan debris.
You get the fleet damage then FO limping back to assault a real rebel front line.
Finn and rose could've escaped from BB further causing chaos in the hanger. Or
Rode down and fought Phasma for control of the door knocked.
Luke could've done his thing and just levitated the X-wing up, instead of fading.l into the force.
A lot of good ideas on here and other boards could have made a less poorly received movie.
It is what it is. I'll still watch 9 to see how it all goes. Still kinda weird that Disney can do the original trilogy with Pirates 15 years ago. But went in without plotting this one all the way out.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 4:02 pm to League Champs
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It will absolutely kill their theme park makeover in Florida, if they don't. Not to mention the shelving of future film projects
People aren't gonna stop going to Disney World
Posted on 6/11/18 at 4:11 pm to ZappBrannigan
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I'll still watch 9 to see how it all goes.
This point seems so foreign to me as a kid that was 9 when Empire came out and who could not WAIT for the conclusion of the story with Jedi. By the end of the second movie, we all loved our main heroes, hated our main villains, we left wondering about whether Vader was telling Luke the truth, were worried about Solo, etc. Everyone is the world was invested.
At this point, with 2/3 of this new trilogy in the can, I seriously don;t give a single, solitary frick about any of the characters or whatever story they are even trying to tell at this point. I was onboard after TFA but when Johnson decided to basically yell "PSYCH!" at movie fans and derail everything that Abrams had built in TFA, I just no longer care about any of what I hoped to learn about this new set of movies.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 4:12 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 6/11/18 at 4:12 pm to The_Joker
He means they might rethink their decision to sink quite as much onto their forthcoming huge Star Wars section of it.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 4:23 pm to ZappBrannigan
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Luke could've done his thing and just levitated the X-wing up, instead of fading.l into the force.
How Luke and Leia were handled are my biggest complaints. VIII should have been Leia's story where Ben can't kill her but she dies anyway, and later in the film. Luke does what he did, but he's actually there and set up for IX.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 4:32 pm to Argonaut
Imagine if Jar Jar Binks were introduced in 2017. Instead of the militant left being upset that he's racist, they'd be defending him to all depths because any criticism of him is racist.
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