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Posted on 11/10/23 at 12:35 am to
Posted by Bottom9
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 12:35 am to
I truly pray Jonathan Majors is innocent. Dude was amazing this episode yet again
Posted by Starchild
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:17 am to
Masterful series and finale, crazy awesome visuals, and this feels like the conclusion to a great arc. I’d rank Loki S1&2 right up there with some of the very best of the MCU.

I’m hoping that we at least get an appearance from Loki in Kang Dynasty. Maybe a callback to Ragnarok where Thor and Doctor Strange go to the end of time to talk to him about HWR.
Posted by SpqrTiger
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:17 am to
It’s a great episode because it writes a full circle to where we started. Loki is burdened with glorious purpose, and he is born to lose.

Here, he “loses” in a way that fulfills his glorious purpose.

An orobouros. That results in Yggdrasil, holding up everything. Damn. Such good writing. What a nice change of habit!
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:17 am to
Loki:

Posted by Soul Gleaux
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:36 am to
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That results in Yggdrasil


But did he tie all the time lines into the already existing Yggdrasil? Or did it just happen to look like Yggdrasil since he is Asgardian? Or since he’s working outside of time, does this mean Loki actually created Yggdrasil from the beginning?
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:46 am to
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I truly pray Jonathan Majors is innocent. Dude was amazing this episode yet again


Even if he did it, can we just treat him like Casey Affleck and ignore his indiscretions?
Posted by LSUguy2023
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:51 am to
That is how you fricking end a series!! shite, I’m sad to think about the series ending, but if that is it, it was damn near flawless.

There is no way that we don’t see Loki again down the road in a movie.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:57 am to
I’m pretty sure Majors isn’t getting convicted of anything.
Now does that mean they are still moving forward with him or not, I don’t know, but they gave themselves a pretty easy out if they need to b/c Loki seems like he defeated him and is capable of preventing him from ever coming back.

What an awesome last episode and an awesome series. Loki always was one of my favorite marvel characters and this show was great.
I hope this isn’t the end for Loki as far as on screen goes, but it kind of felt that way.
Posted by CP3forMVP
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 10:09 am to
After doing some research I'm even more excited for Daredevil now. We all know the issues that show ran into, but Marvel hired Dario Scardapane to write and produce Daredevil, he previously did the same for Netflix's The Punisher and Jack Ryan. They hired Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead to direct, the guys who wrote and directed Loki season two. That's a hell of a creative team behind Daredevil now.
Posted by SpqrTiger
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:52 am to
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Or since he’s working outside of time, does this mean Loki actually created Yggdrasil from the beginning?


I think it’s this. Which, when you think about it… puts an even greater emphasis on Loki’s role as a “god.” What is the thing that separates a god from an Asgardian? There must be some element of eternity there… some aspect of them that reflects an element of infinity. Maybe there’s something more to Loki’s line in response to Sylvie’s suggestion that “they are playing god.” Loki slowly but surely realizes that’s exactly what he is, and now he truly is one, in name and deed.
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Posted by GeauxBayouBengals
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:59 am to
This proves Disney Marvel can still create greatness when they want to. This was an all time great series and surpasses anything Marvel has done since Infinity War. Now that it’s done, I’m starting a series rewatch.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 12:53 pm to
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This proves Disney Marvel can still create greatness when they want to. This was an all time great series and surpasses anything Marvel has done since Infinity War.
This series for Marvel, and Andor for Star Wars.

2 TV series that are done extremely well, with great writing and plot, and if anything elevates the original properties beyond what they were.
Loki showed you can pull off existential concepts within Marvel, and Andor showed that Star Wars can be mature, gritty science fiction; both aimed at adults.

They show what Disney CAN do, and it just makes a lot of the current crap even worse.
Posted by Gavin Elster
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:07 pm to
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They show what Disney CAN do, and it just makes a lot of the current crap even worse

Right on!
Posted by dcw7g
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:28 pm to
I'm clearly the only one who didn't like or understand this last episode. All I saw was Loki grab a lot of space yarn and sit down. Now I'm supposed to believe he's somehow the center of time and space? Where did that power suddenly come from? Isn't he an adopted dark elf or something, not even a true Asgardian? This stunk to me of writers with no clue deciding they should give a character whatever power he needed in order to fix their plot mess. Felt like a copout and made no sense.

Also, why did they make Sylvie so ugly for season two? Nice mullet.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 2:09 pm to
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I'm clearly the only one who didn't like or understand this last episode. All I saw was Loki grab a lot of space yarn and sit down. Now I'm supposed to believe he's somehow the center of time and space?
to each their own
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Isn't he an adopted dark elf or something, not even a true Asgardian? This stunk to me of writers with no clue deciding they should give a character whatever power he needed in order to fix their plot mess. Felt like a copout and made no sense.
Frost giant, not dark elf. Odin did something to him so that he 'looks' Asgardian, so he's something of a hybrid. Freya taught him the use of sorcery and magic, going back to the first movie, so that isn't new that he has powers.
Thor related that he turned himself into a snake, he's changed his appearance and surroundings quite a few times, and so forth. He was able to bewitch even Odin at the end of Thor 2. He got rag-dolled by Hulk, but he tanked that beating; he was walking afterwards. As stated he fell out of the bifrost, and fell into the void without harm... makes it not unbelievable that he could survive the timeline radiation that killed humans.

This is the first time we've gone into any detail about some of his powers, but he's always clearly been able to do a lot. This just shows what he's truly capable of.
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Also, why did they make Sylvie so ugly for season two? Nice mullet.
I get the sense Sylvie could look any way she wants to, and in this season, she's been hiding in the 1980's as a McDonalds worker. I don't think being a supermodel would have been too discreet.
Posted by dcw7g
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 2:52 pm to
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I don't think being a supermodel would have been too discreet.


She was never a supermodel. At least in seasons 1 she was kind of cute.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 3:33 pm to
I think it’s pretty clear after HWR died in Season 1, Loki got a power up in terms of the time slipping. Being able to go back and forth in time, stop time, and stop others within a moment in time is incredibly powerful. It also may or may not have juiced his overall power.

Not sure about comics, but in lore, Loki isn’t JUST a Giant. He’s half god, half giant and just as powerful as Thor, just not in terms of strength. I think we all forget Loki is a God and clearly pretty damn powerful but because his power has been turned off in the TVA, we haven’t really seen him flex that muscle. I think him understanding what God he wanted to be, right before he went out the door to the Loom, unlocked some more hidden power he didn’t know he had, kinda like when Thor leveled up in Ragnarok.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 3:36 pm to
So...
other characters.

Moebius- what's he doing, just taking a walkabout? He's looking at his life, but he sees the variant him there. So all he can do is stand back and feel robbed of the life and family he could have had. I guess he can still roll back to the TVA afterwards? If so, why is he skipping out on the biggest meeting (plan on how to actively combat He Who Remains variants) of the TVA's existence, when he could just go site-seeing afterwards?

Sylvie- I guess she's going to go out and make mischief in a small way, nothing awful but liven things up.

Black chick, I guess she didn't want to do a Moebius and stare at her doctor life? (Oh, and it looks like she dropped a good bit of weight in real life between seasons)

Looks like they just left Victor Timely alone in the 1880's so he could make candles, nothing more.
Posted by Cow Drogo
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 4:50 pm to
So will kangs (Jonathan Majors appearing black males) still arise?
Posted by CP3forMVP
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 5:07 pm to
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This proves Disney Marvel can still create greatness when they want to. This was an all time great series and surpasses anything Marvel has done since Infinity War. Now that it’s done, I’m starting a series rewatch.


They've just got to do a better job with who they hire to write these movies/shows.

Cap 1, 2, and 3, plus IW and Endgame were all written by the same two dudes. They also apparently had a hand in the script for Guardians 1. That naturally moves into James Gunn, who is another guy I would trust to write anything. Erik Sommers and Chris McKenna co-wrote all three Spider-Man films as well as Ant-Man 2. I would say Ryan Coogler and Joe Robert Cole is 2/2.

But then you look at recent failures. Ant-Man 1 and 2 were both successful, then they go get Jeff Loveness who had written for some late night shows and some award shows, plus Rick and Morty. Does Quantummania's issues make more sense now?

Marvel had a huge hit in Thor: Ragnarok. That movie had three co-writers, and none of them were a part of Thor: L&T. Instead they let Taika Waititi write it. Again, make more sense now?

So on and so forth. If Marvel just starts hiring better writers, or writers who are a better fit for a style of movie, they'll be ok.
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