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Let's overanalyze the last few scenes of BTTF
Posted on 2/22/21 at 10:05 am
Posted on 2/22/21 at 10:05 am
I'm making a post that will get 3 replies, 2 of them telling me this is just a movie, and 1 saying tl;dr. Maybe I'll get a "Sir this is a Wendy's" or a "dear Facebook" thrown in for good measure. But you know what, sometimes on Movie/TV Board you have to write some crazy stuff about your favorite movie and see what other people think. Plus it was fun to obsess over a classic, and if we can do it about Home Alone for like 7 years, then why can't we do it for BTTF?
Caveat: This is one of my all-time favorite movies, I've done marathon watches of all three movies multiple times (including in theaters on October 21, 2015) but after watching it again this weekend I've got some gripes about the scenes that occur AFTER Marty travels back to 1985 and all that happens at Lone Pine Mall.
Spoilers below, and lots of ticky-tack pettiness (I hope to make OML proud)
1. When Doc drops Marty off at his home after the shootout with the Libyans, he speeds off and we hear the sounds indicating he has traveled through time. This obviously makes us believe he was able to reach 88 mph with the amount of road available to him. This is important for point 6 below.
2. Marty wakes up when his alarm goes off at 10:28 (who sets an alarm for 10:28am on a Saturday? Best I can do is say he's been hitting snooze for a good bit and we're seeing him wake up finally). Anyways, so he gets up, goes out into the house, and sees his brother, Dave, and sister eating breakfast. Dave is in a suit, at 10:30am on a Saturday eating breakfast, but sure, he "always wears a suit to the office." Why are you going to the office at lunchtime on a Saturday? They're both hardcore making you come in on Saturday, but also lax about what time you show up?
3. After George gives Biff grief about the second coat of wax on the car, Biff comes into the house with George's "new book" but then Lorraine refers to it as his "first novel." Why wait 30 years to write about the space invaders? What other books has he been publishing? Nonfiction? Potentially collections of short stories like what he was writing in high school?
4. Marty goes outside to look at the 4x4 and Jennifer shows up. I guess she didn't want to hang around at her grandma's for long the next day. But then Doc shows up. Why would he pick ~11am to come back to the present from 2015? He knows Marty is there at ~3am, should have come right back, which was what he did sending Marty back to 1985. Make it so it's like you never left. I get that it's a movie, but seems weird for Doc to come right then.
5. Doc decides they should bring Jennifer along (because they didn't have BTTF2 fleshed out I assume), but they tell her nothing about time travel, the DeLorean, what's going on. Just get in the car and we're going to talk about your future kids and how we have to help them. Also you're about to transform into Elisabeth Shue.
6. Marty tells Doc he doesn't have enough road to get up to 88 mph, setting up the iconic final line to the movie "Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads." Totally badass, except for earlier that same day he did have enough road to get to 88 mph.
Okay, bring on the downvotes and mockery
Caveat: This is one of my all-time favorite movies, I've done marathon watches of all three movies multiple times (including in theaters on October 21, 2015) but after watching it again this weekend I've got some gripes about the scenes that occur AFTER Marty travels back to 1985 and all that happens at Lone Pine Mall.
Spoilers below, and lots of ticky-tack pettiness (I hope to make OML proud)
1. When Doc drops Marty off at his home after the shootout with the Libyans, he speeds off and we hear the sounds indicating he has traveled through time. This obviously makes us believe he was able to reach 88 mph with the amount of road available to him. This is important for point 6 below.
2. Marty wakes up when his alarm goes off at 10:28 (who sets an alarm for 10:28am on a Saturday? Best I can do is say he's been hitting snooze for a good bit and we're seeing him wake up finally). Anyways, so he gets up, goes out into the house, and sees his brother, Dave, and sister eating breakfast. Dave is in a suit, at 10:30am on a Saturday eating breakfast, but sure, he "always wears a suit to the office." Why are you going to the office at lunchtime on a Saturday? They're both hardcore making you come in on Saturday, but also lax about what time you show up?
3. After George gives Biff grief about the second coat of wax on the car, Biff comes into the house with George's "new book" but then Lorraine refers to it as his "first novel." Why wait 30 years to write about the space invaders? What other books has he been publishing? Nonfiction? Potentially collections of short stories like what he was writing in high school?
4. Marty goes outside to look at the 4x4 and Jennifer shows up. I guess she didn't want to hang around at her grandma's for long the next day. But then Doc shows up. Why would he pick ~11am to come back to the present from 2015? He knows Marty is there at ~3am, should have come right back, which was what he did sending Marty back to 1985. Make it so it's like you never left. I get that it's a movie, but seems weird for Doc to come right then.
5. Doc decides they should bring Jennifer along (because they didn't have BTTF2 fleshed out I assume), but they tell her nothing about time travel, the DeLorean, what's going on. Just get in the car and we're going to talk about your future kids and how we have to help them. Also you're about to transform into Elisabeth Shue.
6. Marty tells Doc he doesn't have enough road to get up to 88 mph, setting up the iconic final line to the movie "Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads." Totally badass, except for earlier that same day he did have enough road to get to 88 mph.
Okay, bring on the downvotes and mockery
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Posted on 2/22/21 at 10:22 am to The Easter Bunny
Why did they need to go to the future to save the kids? Since Doc knew Marty could have just made sure when he had kids they didn't go on the job with Biff? I like the movie but this has always bothered me there was no reason to go to the future.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 10:25 am to The Easter Bunny
All valid points & I solute you for your logical efforts.
Now, kindly leave my BTTF1/2/3 ALONE!
Now, kindly leave my BTTF1/2/3 ALONE!
Posted on 2/22/21 at 10:25 am to The Easter Bunny
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Okay, bring on the downvotes and mockery
Posted on 2/22/21 at 10:27 am to Dizz
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this has always bothered me there was no reason to go to the future.
BG/BZ have said on multiple occasions they wish they hadn’t put Jennifer in the car or a comment about the kids. They basically came up with whatever just to get it over with ASAP and get on with the movie.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 10:34 am to The Easter Bunny
Posted on 2/22/21 at 11:14 am to The Easter Bunny
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Why would he pick ~11am to come back to the present from 2015? He knows Marty is there at ~3am, should have come right back, which was what he did sending Marty back to 1985.
Let Marty get a good night's sleep before the mission.
Also, Doc was worried about running into another instance of himself who didn't know about the next trip. Just like when he kept his back turned to the other Doc in 2. It could destroy the spacetime continuum.
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Just get in the car and we're going to talk about your future kids and how we have to help them.
Then you have 30 years of butterflies, and telling Marty Jr to avoid the Tannens might not work. Best guarantee is to intervene as close as possible to the event you want to keep from happening.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 11:52 am to The Easter Bunny
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2. Marty wakes up when his alarm goes off at 10:28 (who sets an alarm for 10:28am on a Saturday? Best I can do is say he's been hitting snooze for a good bit and we're seeing him wake up finally). Anyways, so he gets up, goes out into the house, and sees his brother, Dave, and sister eating breakfast. Dave is in a suit, at 10:30am on a Saturday eating breakfast, but sure, he "always wears a suit to the office." Why are you going to the office at lunchtime on a Saturday? They're both hardcore making you come in on Saturday, but also lax about what time you show up?
3. After George gives Biff grief about the second coat of wax on the car, Biff comes into the house with George's "new book" but then Lorraine refers to it as his "first novel." Why wait 30 years to write about the space invaders? What other books has he been publishing? Nonfiction? Potentially collections of short stories like what he was writing in high school?
I'm sure this has been talked to death, but the inherent issue with BTTF 1 is that Marty wakes up to a life he knows nothing about and which is completely alien to him.
He barely recognizes his parents and siblings, who all have different personalities, mannerisms, looks, and careers. The house looks completely different. And his dad's dynamic with Biff is completely altered.
Marty knows absolutely nothing about these people or even his own life up to that point, and every memory he's ever had has been essentially been significantly altered or outright erased. Think about it...pretty soon after Marty has been (in their eyes) feigning ignorance to the pretext of his entire existence, Marty's parents probably take him to psychiatrist at best or have him committed at worst.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 11:56 am to Feral
Why would his brother and sister still live at home if they are successful?
Why would they have bought and lived in the exact same house (but renovated)?
Why would they have bought and lived in the exact same house (but renovated)?
Posted on 2/22/21 at 12:08 pm to The Easter Bunny
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6. Marty tells Doc he doesn't have enough road to get up to 88 mph, setting up the iconic final line to the movie "Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads." Totally badass, except for earlier that same day he did have enough road to get to 88 mph.
Marty didn't say the road wasn't big enough, he said he needed to back up more for the road to be big enough.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 12:12 pm to Fun Bunch
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Why would his brother and sister still live at home if they are successful?
They might have decided to meet up for breakfast
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Why would they have bought and lived in the exact same house (but renovated)?
In the new timeline, they did a better job of upkeep.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:10 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Best guarantee is to intervene as close as possible to the event you want to keep from happening
Marty and Doc aren't capable of changing things in their timeline though. Essentially what they are doing is dimension hopping from Dimension 1 to Dimension 2, then from Dimension 2 to Dimension 3, and finally hopping to Dimension 4 (technically, the Doc that Marty leaves Dimension 1 with may not even be the Doc that he grew up knowing as they both took trips in the vehicle without one another).
Rick and Morty nails it, Doc is a sociopath that does not care about the carnage that his dimension hopping may have on the universes that he leaves in his wake and now Marty is his protege. For all they know, their quantum leaps are popping universes like bubbles as they are collapsing the probability wave-function by forever seeking perfection. As we see, they are completely inept as the more they meddle with timelines, the more out of control the universes they inhabit become.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:40 pm to The Easter Bunny
It all makes more sense when you realize that Robert Zemeckis is actually a time traveler and that the movie is not a narrative, but a warning.
BACK TO THE FUTURE predicts 9/11
BACK TO THE FUTURE predicts 9/11
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:49 pm to Dam Guide
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Marty didn't say the road wasn't big enough, he said he needed to back up more for the road to be big enough.quote:
6. Marty tells Doc he doesn't have enough road to get up to 88 mph, setting up the iconic final line to the movie "Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads." Totally badass, except for earlier that same day he did have enough road to get to 88 mph.
And when he leaves at the end of the first one, doesn’t he go down the street and you see the Delorean speed by before the time traveling?
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:51 pm to blackinthesaddle
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Rick and Morty nails it, Doc is a sociopath that does not care about the carnage that his dimension hopping may have on the universes that he leaves in his wake and now Marty is his protege. For all they know, their quantum leaps are popping universes like bubbles as they are collapsing the probability wave-function by forever seeking perfection. As we see, they are completely inept as the more they meddle with timelines, the more out of control the universes they inhabit become.
What if one of the future Docs goes back in time to 1955 and somehow prevents the original Doc from slipping on the porcelain? Does the future doc disappear? Does it undo all of the dimensions?
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:57 pm to Feral
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I'm sure this has been talked to death, but the inherent issue with BTTF 1 is that Marty wakes up to a life he knows nothing about and which is completely alien to him.
And thus the crux of Happy Death Day 2U's dealing with the "fixed past" paradox.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:59 pm to The Easter Bunny
I think of this John Mullaney bit every time someone brings up BTTF LINK
Posted on 2/22/21 at 2:59 pm to The Easter Bunny
1. The guy who tried to rape his mom cleans his car.
I don't think you need anything else to point out how absurd the ending is.
I don't think you need anything else to point out how absurd the ending is.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 3:01 pm to CaptainsWafer
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And when he leaves at the end of the first one, doesn’t he go down the street and you see the Delorean speed by before the time traveling?
yeah, those scenes are fine
Posted on 2/22/21 at 3:22 pm to CaptainsWafer
Idk, man. Seems like that timeline would become a closed loop, right, just repeating infinitely up to the point of the quantum leap or perhaps just *poof* ending instantaneously. Good question to ponder though.
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