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re: Let’s Overanalyze Jurassic Park and it’s Sequels
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:11 am to Sus-Scrofa
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:11 am to Sus-Scrofa
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I’m apparently in a small minority that didn’t think JP3 was that bad.
I like it too. I appreciate it being smaller scale and short!
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:49 am to OMLandshark
I will say this...
After seeing how folks reacted during 2020, I will never question why Hollywood thinks people would keep going back to a park that gets them killed.
After seeing how folks reacted during 2020, I will never question why Hollywood thinks people would keep going back to a park that gets them killed.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:07 am to DVA Tailgater
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I’m apparently in a small minority that didn’t think JP3 was that bad.
I've always thought it was better than Jurassic Park 2... but that's not saying much.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:24 am to Sus-Scrofa
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I’m apparently in a small minority that didn’t think JP3 was that bad.
My son loves JP3 because Mr Noodle is in it. He gets killed by a raptor
JP3 isn’t bad but it just looks cheap imo. And I’m still pissed they killed a T Rex in it.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:37 am to lob1284
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I hated Lex’s character so much. How can someone be intelligent enough to hack into and reset this advanced security system for the entire park, yet this same person chooses to shine a giant flashlight at a Trex that she’s trying to hide from, and to that point was successfully hiding.
Street smarts v book smarts. Timmy is the Dino expert kid. Lex was the socially awkward computer nerd crushing on father figure Grant. Which was always weird. Plus she was scared shitless. I can give a pass on that.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:05 am to Sus-Scrofa
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I’m apparently in a small minority that didn’t think JP3 was that bad
It's not good, but not bad.
I had read a YA novel prior to seeing the movie that served as a prologue about Eric's time on the island. The scene where Grant asks him how he got the T-Rex pee and he says "you don't wanna know", I remember turning to my friend and saying "I know. I know how he got it "
That book and knowing more background probably made me appreciate the movie a bit more.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 10:08 am
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:07 am to OMLandshark
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that subplot made no sense
The subplot was just the mechanism used to create action in the plot. If Newman doesn't shut down the security, the TRex and Raptors never get out and the other characters are never in danger. woulda been a boring movie if all we watched were scientists being disappointed they couldn't see any Dinosaurs in the cages.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:28 am to Sus-Scrofa
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I’m apparently in a small minority that didn’t think JP3 was that bad.
I think 3 things would have massively improved that movie.
1. Take out Grant's stupid talking raptor nightmare. That was some level 100 cheese.
2. Ratchet back Tea Leoni's impression of Cate Kapshaw's performance in Temple of Doom. The amount of screaming she did in this movie surely injured her vocal cords.
3. Give it a better ending. Calling Ellie, show up with military, roll credits... WTF? Forgetting how strange it was for her to pull off that kind of rescue they should have at least have the dinos battle the military. The ending was extremely abrupt and anti climatic. It felt like they just gave up and called it a wrap instead of filming the final 15 pages of the script.
Other than that there actually was a decent amount of things to like about it. It was just doesn't come together very well and seems like they may have been doing rewrites the entire time they were filming.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:29 am to jlovel7
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Finding out they didn’t use real dinosaurs was one of the most devastating moments of my life.
They didn't??
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:32 am to Dr RC
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. Give it a better ending. Calling Ellie, show up with military, roll credits... WTF? Forgetting how strange it was for her to pull off that kind of rescue they should have at least have the dinos battle the military. The ending was extremely abrupt and anti climatic. It felt like they just gave up and called it a wrap instead of filming the final 15 pages of the script.
I remember sitting in the theater for this movie, enjoying the experience and was highly entertained. All of a sudden it just....ended. I found it very strange considering most blockbusters hit the 2 hour mark these days. This movie had a run time of 90 minutes.
lol...from the wikipedia page in the "filming" section:
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A final draft of the script was never completed during production. Johnston said, "We shot pages that eventually went into the final script but we didn't have a document".[5] While the first act was mostly in place, the middle portion of the script was not as complete, and the ending had yet to be written.[49][50] Principal photography began on August 30, 2000,[51][52][53] and it lasted five months.[54] Filming the script was a lengthy process because of technical preparations before scenes.[55] Macy criticized the project during filming.[8] Commenting on the slow pace of filming, Macy said "we would do a quarter-page–some days, an eighth of a page. And that would be a full 12-hour day."[55] Johnston said that filming ultimately went over schedule by a few days, primarily because of weather and unexpected technical issues, although he was satisfied with how the schedule eventually turned out considering these issues.[56]
Macy also noted that executive producer Spielberg was not seen on set, despite a chair bearing his name that was always present, with Macy saying, "You don't know if it's a threat or a promise!"[56] Spielberg was busy creating the 2001 film A.I. Artificial Intelligence.[57] While Macy was impressed with the Jurassic Park III footage, he criticized the project for starting without a finished script: "The script has been evolving and being rewritten as we go, and what you want to say is, 'Who launched a $100 million ship without a rudder, and who's getting fired for this?' But that's the way it goes. That's the way they make these movies... big deal. I think someone should be shot, but I'm not in charge."[58] Johnston said the actors went through an uncomfortable production shoot and that Macy may have simply made the critical comments on a bad day of filming.[48] As the film approached its release, Macy said, "It was about the most amazing thing I've ever done in this business."[8]
Johnston thought about quitting the project on a few occasions because of uncertainty about how the film would turn out, considering that it did not have a finished script.[39] He said that making the film was "a living hell on a daily basis",[4] and that shooting without a finished script was "nerve-wracking, but it was also a way of freeing up the whole creative process. We could literally decide on the day how we wanted a scene to progress. I'm not saying it's the way to make movies, but it gives you more freedom." Johnston said the actors were "very flexible" and that they dealt with the lack of a finished script "the best they could."[59] Alessandro Nivola criticized the film after its release, saying, "It was like the only part I've ever done that just had nothing for me to latch on to, character-wise," saying, "It was kind of maddening."[60] The actors were frequently bruised during filming.[54][8] Leoni said "more of my makeup was to cover the real bruises than to create fake ones." Michael Lantieri, who worked on the previous films,[61] returned as the special effects consultant. Lantieri said that Jurassic Park III was the most physically demanding film of the series: "We had a cast that was willing to get real bruises and bumps, be around real heat, and actually go underwater."[54]
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 10:35 am
Posted on 1/7/21 at 11:43 am to OMLandshark
When he got eaten and the shaving cream can fell in the mud and got all covered, they showed that pretty detailed.
I figured that would come back in another movie at some point. Maybe someone would find it and they would be preserved or something similar
I figured that would come back in another movie at some point. Maybe someone would find it and they would be preserved or something similar
Posted on 1/7/21 at 1:28 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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I’m apparently in a small minority that didn’t think JP3 was that bad.
JP3 is awesome. My main gripe is that it was too short of a movie, so by the time they get on the island and shite starts going down, it's already almost halfway over.
ETA: And I agree with this:
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3. Give it a better ending. Calling Ellie, show up with military, roll credits... WTF? Forgetting how strange it was for her to pull off that kind of rescue they should have at least have the dinos battle the military. The ending was extremely abrupt and anti climatic. It felt like they just gave up and called it a wrap instead of filming the final 15 pages of the script.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 1/7/21 at 1:37 pm to LanierSpots
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When he got eaten and the shaving cream can fell in the mud and got all covered, they showed that pretty detailed.
I figured that would come back in another movie at some point. Maybe someone would find it and they would be preserved or something similar
I remember watching it and being like "Oh man, that is set up perfectly for a sequel." And I still wish they'd bring it back in some way, shape, or form. I realize that in the 25+ years it's been buried in the mud the embryos are bad, but seems like an easy fix with a few lines of script. But that thing is just sitting there.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 1:59 pm to Athos
quote:Which was vastly different from the book, IIRC. Timmy was the older sibling/computer nerd who knew all about dinos. Lex was just an annoying little brat.
Timmy is the Dino expert kid. Lex was the socially awkward computer nerd crushing on father figure Grant.
Also the Genarro character in the film is much more like Ed Regis, the PR flack in the book (their fate is the same). A lot of Genarro's positive characteristics from the book are grafted onto Grant.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 2:19 pm to FearlessFreep
Yea. I think I’d read the PR lawyer was a hero in the book. And they turned him into a sniveling suit for the movie.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 4:57 pm to FearlessFreep
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Which was vastly different from the book, IIRC. Timmy was the older sibling/computer nerd who knew all about dinos. Lex was just an annoying little brat.
They split Sledgehammer’s Dinosaur/Computer interests up and gave Lex the computer interest to give her something to do.
And because a 5 year old computer whiz is bit unbelievable they made her 7 years older (and therefore 2 years older than Sledgehammer).
Posted on 1/7/21 at 5:05 pm to Dr RC
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Ratchet back Tea Leoni's impression of Cate Kapshaw's performance in Temple of Doom. The amount of screaming she did in this movie surely injured her vocal cords.
Tea Leoni makes that entire film unwatchable. She’s unbearable. I kept hoping she’d get eaten. Nope. More screaming and yelling on a blow horn on an island of dinos.
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