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re: Let’s Overanalyze Jurassic Park and it’s Sequels

Posted on 1/6/21 at 7:40 am to
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
6576 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 7:40 am to
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That’s Scott Smalls man.

My mind continues to be blown by the filmography of Arliss Howard.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29151 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 7:42 am to
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What?


Arliss Howard (Ludlow in TLW) had an uncredited role as the adult Scott Smalls (who became the Dodgers' announcer) in The Sandlot.

I didn't know that either until just now.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
150672 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 7:49 am to
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Arliss Howard (Ludlow in TLW) had an uncredited role as the adult Scott Smalls (who became the Dodgers' announcer) in The Sandlot.


Holy shite. And that's weird that it's an uncredited role. But I think in my memory I always assumed it was Judge Reinhold.
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
13295 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 8:07 am to
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My mind continues to be blown by the filmography of Arliss Howard.


damn, no shite.

Because of this thread, I also just learned that he was John Henry in Moneyball



Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42497 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 8:39 am to
First off, I've never read the books.

This was a blockbuster film series to put dinosaurs on the big screen, nothing more and it worked.

The plots for the first trilogy were awful but it made money which was their only goal.

The reboot Jurassic World was somewhat better and tried to create a story but the next one wasn't very good.
I think they can wrap it up in a good ending.
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 8:50 am to
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This was a blockbuster film series to put dinosaurs on the big screen, nothing more and it worked.


They took one of the best, most accessible Science Fiction books of the 90s and turned it into generic fantasy.

The first Jurassic Park is still a fun popcorn movie, but all the things I found interesting and rewarding about the book were gone. All the sequels are derivative, uninteresting trash.
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 9:14 am to
Re: The Ice Cream Scene

quote:

John Hammond: They'll be fine. Who better to get the children through Jurassic Park than a dinosaur expert? You know the first [swallows] attraction I built when I came down from Scotland... was a flea circus. Petticoat Lane.Really..quite wonderful. We had uh...a wee trapeze, a merry-go-... carousel.Heh. And a see-saw. They all moved, motorized, of course, but people would say they could see the fleas, "Oh, mummy! I can see the fleas, can't you see the fleas?" Clown fleas, highwire fleas and fleas on parade. But with this place... I wanted to give them something that wasn't an illusion.Something that was real. Something they could see, and touch. An aim not devoid of merit.

Ellie Sattler: But you can't think through this one, John. You have to feel it.

John Hammond: You're right, you're absolutely right. Hiring Nedry was a mistake, that's obvious, we're over-dependent on automation, I can see that now. Now the next time, everything's correctable. Creation is an act of sheer will. Next time it'll be flawless.

Ellie Sattler: It's still the flea circus. It's all an illusion.

John Hammond: When we have control again--

Ellie Sattler: You never had control! That's the illusion! I was overwhelmed by the power of this place. But I made a mistake, too. I didn't have enough respect for that power and it's out now. The only thing that matters now are the people we love. Alan and Lex and Tim...John,they're out there where people are dying. So...[takes a spoonful of ice cream;swallows] It's good.

John Hammond: Spared no expense.


These are the words of either a completely demented egoist (Book Hammond) or a tragic old man (Movie Hammond).

Book Hammond responds with anger at this inflection point, Movie Hammond meekly surrenders to more level heads.

The disconnect is that Spielberg, as a blockbuster film director, doesn't have the heart to kill the dream of Jurassic Park. He's a showman who knows audiences want Jurassic Park to be real, who want dinosaurs to be real, and in this he actually sides with Hammond here.

If Hammond, the dreamer and architect of the audience's fantasy, is killed by the reality of that fantasy as an exclamation point; if the military comes in and firebombs the island to Hell; even if we see evidence that life has found a way to escape the island regardless - we as an audience lose the dream. A definitive statement of fact: "This will never work. It must never exist." is a Sci-Fi ending, not a fantasy ending.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101919 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 9:19 am to
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The first Jurassic Park is still a fun popcorn movie, but all the things I found interesting and rewarding about the book were gone.


The book was/is a sci-fi masterpiece.

Fortunately I read it after I saw the movie.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12405 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 11:15 am to
I get why The Lost World was meh, since Crichton wrote it in a pinch to make the movie after the JP was a smash hit.

But I'll never understand why in JP3 they again go to Isla Sorna, and didn't instead set it back in Isla Nublar. They could've done what they did in Jurassic World where they find the remains of the JP park and an island taken over by dinosaurs, but instead we get a weird rescue plot.
Posted by lob1284
Houma by birth
Member since Mar 2006
4928 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 11:51 am to
I hated Lex’s character so much. How can someone be intelligent enough to hack into and reset this advanced security system for the entire park, yet this same person chooses to shine a giant flashlight at a Trex that she’s trying to hide from, and to that point was successfully hiding.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 11:54 am to
I don’t understand why in Fallen Kingdom they make this huge deal about the volcano killing all the dinosaurs in the world when there is another island filled with dinosaurs
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29151 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 12:10 pm to
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How can someone be intelligent enough to hack into and reset this advanced security system for the entire park, yet this same person chooses to shine a giant flashlight at a Trex that she’s trying to hide from, and to that point was successfully hiding.


She was a scared 13-year-old girl. Hell, I'd probably pull a Gennaro if I were in that situation.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101919 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 12:11 pm to
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I hated Lex’s character so much. How can someone be intelligent enough to hack into and reset this advanced security system for the entire park, yet this same person chooses to shine a giant flashlight at a Trex that she’s trying to hide from, and to that point was successfully hiding.


For some reason I thought she turned it on by accident looking for anything that could help.
Posted by LG2BAMA
Texas
Member since Dec 2015
1180 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 1:17 pm to
The life finds a way theme is interesting to me in that at least in the movie it is easier to create life then it is to destroy it. Like once you create it there is no stopping it. The one instinct every creature has is to survive. Yes you can kill a dinosaur or a bunch but somehow someway they will slip through the cracks and continue on.
Posted by lob1284
Houma by birth
Member since Mar 2006
4928 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 1:49 pm to
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She was a scared 13-year-old girl. Hell, I'd probably pull a Gennaro if I were in that situation.


I get that, but then they revealed her to be this hacker prodigy later in the movie which is what didn’t add up for me. And her equally scared and even younger brother hiding with her in the car is pleading with her to put the flashlight down and basically calling her a dumbass.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58058 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 1:55 pm to
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I get why The Lost World was meh, since Crichton wrote it in a pinch to make the movie after the JP was a smash hit.


Didn't help matters that Spielberg threw out a good chunk of the book so he could have his stupid T-Rex rampage in the city.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
19194 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 2:01 pm to
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Holy shite. And that's weird that it's an uncredited role


Been married to Debra Winger since 96.
Posted by tWildcat
Verona, KY
Member since Oct 2014
19303 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 5:58 pm to
Loved the first and second
Third was very meh to me

One thing that always bothered me was in the third movie why couldn’t Ben Hildabrand get out of the tree? Then I read that in the script they talk about how he was shielding Eric as they were crashing through the trees and died of internal injuries. RIP.
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
8145 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 6:15 pm to
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But I'll never understand why in JP3 they again go to Isla Sorna, and didn't instead set it back in Isla Nublar. They could've done what they did in Jurassic World where they find the remains of the JP park and an island taken over by dinosaurs, but instead we get a weird rescue plot


I’m apparently in a small minority that didn’t think JP3 was that bad.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29151 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 7:07 pm to
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so he could have his stupid T-Rex rampage in the city.


Bite your tongue.
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