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re: "Killers of the Flower Moon' Official Trailer #2
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:14 pm to 3nOut
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:14 pm to 3nOut
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it's a good story and i'm not an SJW when it comes to native americans. most of them were terrible people and i'm glad we won the indian wars.
Most of the natives were terrible people? How do you figure that? From their perspective they were trying to fend off an invading force. If aliens came down and started taking over America with ray guns, we’d probably be assholes too. People are just people
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Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:23 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Orrrr, it could be portrayed as the righteous and courageous victory over the bloodthirsty savages.
The true story of this is pretty cut and dry. Natives had oil money and whites didn't like that the natives had a bunch of money so they made laws that required natives to have a white guy in charge of their money which obviously led the white guys to steal the money and, in some cases, kill the natives and claim all the money for themselves.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:40 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Most of the natives were terrible people? How do you figure that? From their perspective they were trying to fend off an invading force. If aliens came down and started taking over America with ray guns, we’d probably be assholes too. People are just people
i know there are exceptions, but please let me know the tribes that did not have rape, murder, and pillaging of other nations for 100 years before Europeans showed up.
America was not better for the most part, don't get me wrong.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:44 pm to nicholastiger
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Plus white man bad, everyone else is the victim.
Do you know anything about the story?
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:17 pm to 3nOut
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i know there are exceptions, but please let me know the tribes that did not have rape, murder, and pillaging of other nations for 100 years before Europeans showed up.
well europeans did that too and I think people showing up and killing everyone would and is generally still frowned upon.
also, this happened in the 1920. this is not a “it’s complicated because it was different back then” situation. this was generally recognized as wrong then too.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
This looks absolutely incredible.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:57 pm to 3nOut
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i know there are exceptions, but please let me know the tribes that did not have rape, murder, and pillaging of other nations for 100 years before Europeans showed up.
America was not better for the most part, don't get me wrong.
So if any tribe, nation or group of people has individuals who commit rape, murder, and pillaging, that automatically means that most people in that tribe, nation or group are horrible people? That's weird.
I'd still like to hear about the religion of "judeo christianity". I've never heard of it before.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:08 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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The true story of this is pretty cut and dry. Natives had oil money and whites didn't like that the natives had a bunch of money so they made laws that required natives to have a white guy in charge of their money which obviously led the white guys to steal the money and, in some cases, kill the natives and claim all the money for themselves.
but did you consider that Native tribes fought eachother?
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:18 pm to 3nOut
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i know there are exceptions, but please let me know the tribes that did not have rape, murder, and pillaging of other nations for 100 years before Europeans showed up
So did literally every country in Europe. Is everyone inherently evil?
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:38 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I'd still like to hear about the religion of "judeo christianity". I've never heard of it before.
you tried that earlier in the thread and it was pretty weak then.
values used/misused/miscontrued and abused coming from the Jewish and Christian spreading from Europe during the 1000s did the greatest service to the world in advancing us out of the dark ages possible in regard to the advancement of science, healthcare, and society.
don't be obtuse.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 6:58 pm to SammyTiger
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man, maybe white people murdering native americans including their wives to take their oil can just be portrayed as bad.
The book is an excellent read, and yea, white man did bad.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:21 pm to Honest Tune
This thread is nuts. fricking nuts. Anyway, I only have like 3 hours left till I finish the book!
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:23 pm to 3nOut
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i know there are exceptions, but please let me know the tribes that did not have rape, murder, and pillaging of other nations for 100 years before Europeans showed up.
Did you sleep through the entirety of European History?
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:41 pm to nicholastiger
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Scorcese gonna make this more violent than it needs to be.
Plus white man bad, everyone else is the victim.
Another let's paint history into the way hollywood wants to see it since it is based on a true story, not that any outcome would have been different in history as the country developed over time - good or bad or indifferent!
After reading the book, I can safely say you're an idiot.
This looks good btw. Looking forward to seeing this.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 12:11 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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hey man, maybe white people murdering native americans including their wives to take their oil can just be portrayed as bad.
Orrrr, it could be portrayed as the righteous and courageous victory over the bloodthirsty savages.
But I’ll be watching for sure. Scorcese directing Deniro and DiCaprio? I’m in.
You do know this is like 2 - 3 generations after they were settled on the reservation, right?
Some of my own motherfricking grandparents were alive when this shite happened. This isn't in the that distant past.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 12:14 am
Posted on 9/14/23 at 5:01 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Her being attractive would work against the plot of the story.
You can have an attractive woman play the role of an American Indian and still have her husband betray her for money. It happens all the time.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 5:12 am
Posted on 9/14/23 at 5:48 am to 3nOut
My grand pappy, God rest his soul, passed down his knowledge and love of history to me.
He wasn't worldly or well educated, but when he finally got a TV he loved watching westerns. They were an extension of the dime novels others read to him when he was a kid. Injuns were always the villains he'd say. He never met one, but he sure hated those bastards. Terrible people he used to call em who to a person deserved all the bad things they got. Miss his wisdom to this day.
He wasn't worldly or well educated, but when he finally got a TV he loved watching westerns. They were an extension of the dime novels others read to him when he was a kid. Injuns were always the villains he'd say. He never met one, but he sure hated those bastards. Terrible people he used to call em who to a person deserved all the bad things they got. Miss his wisdom to this day.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:08 am to nicholastiger
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Plus white man bad, everyone else is the victim.
Yep it's exhausting. Will not watch.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:11 am to 0x15E
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Do you know anything about the story?
The issue is it wouldn't even be made if it were the other way around.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:25 am to BluegrassBelle
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have no clue about this story. But your Osage were notoriously vicious murderers and pillagers to the other tribes around them in Arkansas.
The Caddo and the Quapaw hated them.
I don’t see where any of that justifies what happened to them decades later when they were settled on a reservation in Oklahoma. But you do you.
Where was it stated anything was 'justified?' Simply said the story is foreign and that the Osage Indians were pretty bad dudes back in the day. Don't even know what the story is about.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 7:26 am
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