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re: Joker 2 is proving that Rotten Tomatoes Critic and Audience scores can reach a consensus
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:20 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:20 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Joker: Fois à Deux
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Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:49 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Posted on 10/5/24 at 1:51 pm to 1999
At least Morbius didn’t seem to actively hate its audience.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 2:23 pm to Kinderman
And not nearly as expensive.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 3:52 pm to 1999
Filmmakers are trying too hard to make their mark or do something unique with iconic characters and franchises that it alienates fans. Turning Luke Skywalker into a loser nothing like his OT self and bringing back Sidious completely undermined the events and efforts of the OT. Killing off John Connor as a kid a few years after the events of T2 undermined everything about at least the first two movies (the only ones worth a shite). And now this Joker stuff.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 6:06 pm to Globetrotter747
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And now this Joker stuff.
I wish you guys could learn to dislike movies without being total babies about it.
The movie sucked (it seems). Philips hasn't ruined the Joker, an amorphous idea who has a dozen different origins and takes. We all lived through Suicide Squad (one of the absolute worst blockbusters of this superhero era) and made it out the other side.
Also, they killed Connor in the 6th terminator movie. 4 movies past anyone caring, and 5 movies past the Terminator continuity making any sense. I don't think Tim Miller was trying to be some big time auteur by making that decision (he didn't write it). I think the franchise was desperate to drop some continuity baggage to continue milking an IP.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 6:22 pm to Jay Are
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I wish you guys could learn to dislike movies without being total babies about it.
It's unnecessary. They have bonafide hits and then follow them up with unmitigated trash like this.
It wasn't even supposed to have a sequel. Yet because it was such a unrealized success, they felt compelled to do another.
The story wasn't designed for a sequel. And definitely not one like this.
Posted on 10/5/24 at 11:30 pm to RLDSC FAN
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I mentioned this in the other thread, but I didn't think it's as bad as I thought it would be. There was a lot of good stuff in the film.
I just got out and I feel the same. I was expecting a lot worse based on the reactions. People are hating on his Foghorn Leghorn accent like it wasn’t hilarious. Harvey Dent’s attempt at an American accent was far worse. Overall I thought the courtroom drama was the weakest part. I would have preferred fewer witnesses and more songs if we needed to fill time. But it really needed to shave off 20 or so minutes.
If we are comparing two critically panned movies in theaters now, I can confidently say Megalopolis was far more entertaining.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:35 am to Funky Tide 8
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Too much depressing, dark, hopeless "entertainment" out there these days. Its gotten old. I'm good.
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I was watching Thursday Night Football last night
Doesn't check out
Posted on 10/6/24 at 5:16 am to SouthEasternKaiju
The ‘genius’ of the first movie, what made it resonate and so successful was apparently entirely an accident caused by Joaquin’s acting. You weren’t supposed to empathize with Arthur Fleck. It wasn’t supposed to be a statement on mental illness. You were just supposed to hate this piece of crap. And this is what you get for watching it wrong.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 6:20 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Then what the hell was the point of the 1st movie even and why bother titling it The Joker?
As I’ve said from day one after Joker was released: It was never written to be a Joker movie. It was a script written to show the downfall of society through mental illness. That’s it.
They just “find/replaced” names with JOKER and BRUCE WAYNE and the smooth brains seal clapped while eating it up.
Now we can clearly see the truth and the tards are crying.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 6:33 am to theunknownknight
Joker's™ origin has always been a bit of a mystery. So it was easy to fit this 'grounded 'version into the carousel of ever-changing stories. Heath Ledger's Joker was a prime example.
What really could have made him The Joker for me was to show that Arthur was, in addition to being tortured, down on his luck, etc... was also some sort of savant. There was no 'genius' in this character. He lived day to day, at home with his crazy but unassuming mother. He wasn't some once future Harvard grad, but never got to go because he was too poor or had to stay home and take care of his mother. He was just a guy. Dealing with mental issues and barely making by in a cold and uncaring city.
That seems to be it.
What really could have made him The Joker for me was to show that Arthur was, in addition to being tortured, down on his luck, etc... was also some sort of savant. There was no 'genius' in this character. He lived day to day, at home with his crazy but unassuming mother. He wasn't some once future Harvard grad, but never got to go because he was too poor or had to stay home and take care of his mother. He was just a guy. Dealing with mental issues and barely making by in a cold and uncaring city.
That seems to be it.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 6:40 am to Gaggle
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It wasn’t supposed to be a statement on mental illness. You were just supposed to hate this piece of crap. And this is what you get for watching it wrong.
I don't think there's a definitive way to watch a character like this. Like Gollum in LOTR, Fleck is wrecked by his personal demons. The viewer IS supposed to feel empathy for him, on some level, because we get to see the world through his eyes.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 7:10 am to SouthEasternKaiju
If you remove the DC Joker aspect from the original movie, would it have been as successful?
The Joker label brought in many more fans than, say, movie about depressed, angry random comic.
My suspicion is that the movie was Jokerized because the suits didn’t like it initially and they were hoping to get something out of it by playing to that fandom.
I didn’t like the first movie, not because it wasn’t a good movie, just because it was horrendously unpleasant to watch.
The 2nd movie was never going to work because they were trying to play up the Joker aspect in universe that is 120% reality. DC Joker would never work in reality, no matter which iteration you choose. Ledger’s was the closest, but even that character wouldn’t work.
Essentially what I’m trying to say is, they never made the character out to be “The Joker”. It was always just the movie title, not the actual character.
The Joker label brought in many more fans than, say, movie about depressed, angry random comic.
My suspicion is that the movie was Jokerized because the suits didn’t like it initially and they were hoping to get something out of it by playing to that fandom.
I didn’t like the first movie, not because it wasn’t a good movie, just because it was horrendously unpleasant to watch.
The 2nd movie was never going to work because they were trying to play up the Joker aspect in universe that is 120% reality. DC Joker would never work in reality, no matter which iteration you choose. Ledger’s was the closest, but even that character wouldn’t work.
Essentially what I’m trying to say is, they never made the character out to be “The Joker”. It was always just the movie title, not the actual character.
This post was edited on 10/6/24 at 7:13 am
Posted on 10/6/24 at 7:19 am to theunknownknight
quote:Exactly.
As I’ve said from day one after Joker was released: It was never written to be a Joker movie. It was a script written to show the downfall of society through mental illness. That’s it.
They just “find/replaced” names with JOKER and BRUCE WAYNE and the smooth brains seal clapped while eating it up.
I bet the original movie would have been a critically acclaimed flop had they not tried to tie it to the character.
No fanboy would go see a movie called Pierrot or Pagliacci.
It was propped up by two things, IMO:
1. The Joker title
2. The media shitting on its fans.
This post was edited on 10/6/24 at 7:21 am
Posted on 10/6/24 at 8:03 am to Lsut81
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Said at the outset of this, it looked fricking terrible and had no interest in seeing. The whole musical shtick was stupid, but from the previews, it looked as if 90% of the movie would be "in his mind" and not really happening.
Enjoyed the first, but 0 chance I watch this steaming pile of shite.
the first one is good. i doubt i'll see the second even though i enjoyed the A Star is Born movie
Posted on 10/6/24 at 9:42 am to Scruffy
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I bet the original movie would have been a critically acclaimed flop had they not tried to tie it to the character.
It was a ripoff of Taxi Driver. If critics didn't piss themselves at everything Joaquin Phoenix does ( a trend that's beginning to shift, I think) and it didn't have the Joker label on it, it likely would never have been made. And even as sadism-hungry as modern audiences are, I doubt they'd come along on a ride into mental illness without that label. It was another tired "brand" grab by hollywood, deserved to bomb and now is via a sequel no one wanted.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 10:39 am to AUCom96
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It was a ripoff of Taxi Driver. If critics didn't piss themselves at everything Joaquin Phoenix does ( a trend that's beginning to shift, I think) and it didn't have the Joker label on it, it likely would never have been made. And even as sadism-hungry as modern audiences are, I doubt they'd come along on a ride into mental illness without that label. It was another tired "brand" grab by hollywood, deserved to bomb and now is via a sequel no one wanted.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 10:53 am to Green Chili Tiger
I saw it last night. I honestly fell asleep it was so bad.
It was barely watch able. Sort of tries to set up the Heath Ledger Joker I guess.
It was barely watch able. Sort of tries to set up the Heath Ledger Joker I guess.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 11:11 am to Gaggle
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You weren’t supposed to empathize with Arthur Fleck.
Well, yeah. Yes, he suffered from mental illness and was being kicked around the system. Empathizing with dealing with that illness by murdering people is weird.
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