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re: It’s time to realize Star Wars is the most overrated franchise in cinematic history
Posted on 6/16/18 at 3:37 pm to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 6/16/18 at 3:37 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Te original trilogy is the foundation of this franchise. As we peel back the onion we find one disappointing film after another.
And as we learned what George Lucas had really intended with the entire franchise and his view of the entire Universe with the prequels, etc...and now the "missing sequels" it really sullies the awe and mystery of the first two films to some degree.
I mean he keeps saying, I wanted to do this and this in the first two films but I didn't have the money or the technology.
Thank God. He really got lucky that he wasn't able to do what he really wanted to do.
And that's the overrated aspect, what George really wanted to do. The first two films aren't overrated at all but George's vision is overrated...or maybe it's not now and people have peeled back the onion with the prequels and see all the crap George wanted to do.
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 3:38 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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I think that it does. If you're a sci-fi/fantasy fan who grew up in a world without Star Wars, you saw it for the homage that it was. If you were a young kid when it came out, or grew up with your parents telling you it was the best thing ever, you're going to have a greater admiration for it.
I do think that teenagers today who have never known a world without the MCU will treat it similarly to people in their 20s-40s treat Star Wars.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 3:47 pm to 13SaintTiger
It absolutely is. It can be the most overrated and still be enjoyable.
Star Wars is treated like the golden god franchise of film. In terms of making money, it is. In terms of quality storytelling and film? Absolutely overrated.
Star Wars is treated like the golden god franchise of film. In terms of making money, it is. In terms of quality storytelling and film? Absolutely overrated.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 6/16/18 at 3:56 pm to 13SaintTiger
It's the MCU for me. Star Wars still has the OT to fall back on.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:05 pm to StringedInstruments
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In terms of making money, it is. In terms of quality storytelling and film? Absolutely overrated.
I don't think each film is overrated. I mean the Phantom Menace is at 55% and 59% respectively on RT for critics and fans.
Fans know crap when they see it...ergo, recently TLJ.
But the franchise has become overrated as a whole because it's living off of three films that happened 40 years ago and kept alive by toys.
If Star Wars began with Episode I...and that was the premiere of the Lucas universe...it would have been a big meh to the public.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:07 pm to StringedInstruments
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It can be the most overrated and still be enjoyable.
People just expect the rush that they got from seeing Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back for the first time. Gonna be hard to recapture that lightning in a bottle.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:12 pm to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:44 pm to 13SaintTiger
No it’s not. It’s a great franchise ruined by people who got their greedy little fingers on something they clearly don’t understand.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:01 pm to ShamelessPel
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No it’s not.
It is. You acknowledge it by saying it’s ruined in the same sentence calling it great. What else would you call getting exciting for any event based on popularity and getting disappointed time after time?
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:01 pm to ShamelessPel
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No it’s not. It’s a great franchise ruined by people who got their greedy little fingers on something they clearly don’t understand.
Here’s the thing: there are only 2 objectively great films out of 11. That’s an issue.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:04 pm to OMLandshark
From what I heard the original series would have been awful if people straight up told Lucas no to his stupidity, and a great movie was made despite him. After seeing the prequels and hearing his ideas for later films I have no doubt the original trilogy was great despite not because of him.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:23 pm to 13SaintTiger
meh, Ileft in the dust years ago. in the very beginning, Iwas hoping for some good science fiction, but these movies aren't even real science fiction. It's a frigging western or Knights of the round table
round Table.
Some have called it 'fantasy", and that's more accurate, imo
round Table.
Some have called it 'fantasy", and that's more accurate, imo
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:31 pm to 13SaintTiger
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No it doesn’t. Great franchises stand the test of time. When you have to tell someone who is interested in the franchise to skip half the movies, or that half of them aren’t any good/average at best, it’s safe to say it’s overrated. I grew up on Star Wars.
While true, how many franchises have put out 10+ movies where this isn’t the case?
The MCU is the only one that’s even close and that’s kind of cheating considering theyre just drawing from 70+ years of source material
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:41 pm to Volvagia
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However, I would also say it’s less a trilogy and more a three part, 12 hour movie with intermissions between.
It was based on 3 books though
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:51 pm to 13SaintTiger
The problem is that really uncreative, uninspired people have run the show for a long time. George Lucas must have had a brief stroke of genius with the OT...or maybe he just stole the story from someone and killed them before anyone found out.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:55 pm to Powerman
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It was based on 3 books though
Actually if you wish to get technical, it is based on six books.
But it was always regarded to be one volume of a two volume set by Tolkien (The other being the collective Silmarillion). It was only published the way it was due to publisher demands.
But you can definitely get editions today sold as the single volume as intended.
But even setting the books aside, just look at the film narrative. They aren’t self contained stories. They flow narratively seamlessly with each other. Compare that to the typical approach of starting a trilogy: have a complete first film that is later added upon.
Hell, how’s this for evidence of it really being one movie: that is how it was filmed.
The entire trilogy was filmed nearly a year before the release of the first movie with more than 400 days of continuous principal photography.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 6:02 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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I think that it does. If you're a sci-fi/fantasy fan who grew up in a world without Star Wars, you saw it for the homage that it was. If you were a young kid when it came out, or grew up with your parents telling you it was the best thing ever, you're going to have a greater admiration for it.
Precisely.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 6:12 pm to TigerWerm
I am 51. Grew up in the Star Wars era
I liked the movies then and I like them now. But honestly, I have never been infatuated with them like so many are. The first three were very good but what has happened since is all bad.
Certainly overrated overall
I liked the movies then and I like them now. But honestly, I have never been infatuated with them like so many are. The first three were very good but what has happened since is all bad.
Certainly overrated overall
Posted on 6/16/18 at 6:27 pm to 13SaintTiger
If only Lucas wasn't such a control freak and they had filmed the Zahn trilogy right after Jedi we wouldn't have been exposed to so much misery.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 6:36 pm to LanierSpots
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Certainly overrated overall
I'd call them rated more then overrated.
The first three were excellent movies, even the weakest of the, Return of the Jedi, had some really great moments.
And then Lucas stopped directing films for 25 years. He came back and tried to recapture the magic the first movies had, only with him calling all of the shots this time. The prequels looked like someone who was woefully out of practice and in over his head.
The current trilogy started off with a perfectly OK movie that established lots of nice dangling plot lines, a few villains, the setting, yada yada yada. A halfway competent take on that should have at least resulted in another solid, if not great, movie.
Instead we got movie that caused folks to go full on Charlton Heston "You maniacs, you blew it up!"
So we have a great first three movies that are acknowledged as great. We got a very clunky prequel that most everyone admits was not a good effort. Now we are getting a new trilogy that is facing the growing consensus that they screwed up by the numbers.
All of the movies are viewed about how they deserve to be viewed. Well, Solo is kind of taking it in the shorts.
I'd say the SW franchise is not overrated. It is, however, a perfect example of how to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
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