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Is (GOT Spoiler)’s death the worst in television history?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:13 pm
And it’s Littlefinger I’m referring to, but I didn’t want to spoil it for anyone who hadn’t seen it. I really hate his death in the series. Barristan might be worse in some way being killed by a bunch of teenagers, but he wasn’t as big of a player as Littlefinger which is why I think it’s worse.
Let’s face it: Littlefinger was taken out by a Human 8 Ball, and nothing through people solving what he actually did. I mean seriously, they got a cheat sheet from some random cog they didn’t account for. Wouldn’t it be much more satisfying if Sansa solved it on her own?
I also think they got the daughter wrong to directly kill him. Arya had basically no connection to Littlefinger before Season 7. Yes he betrayed her father, but they had barely shared a scene together in the show and haven’t at all in the books. That was not the daughter to kill him. Littlefinger is Sansa’s target, not Arya’s.
And then he goes out whimpering too. Littlefinger wouldn’t take all these risks if he were a whimperer. He’s the most evil person in Westeros and should go out pretty defiant.
I can’t think of anything that worked in that scene. It’s just a waste of a character. He went out on a whimper despite starting the whole thing. It’s clear to me how you kill him: have Tyrion demand his surrender after being charged by the White Walkers, LF refuses, Tyrion comes over the walls of Winterfell, LF goes into the crypts with Tyrion following him, LF nearly kills Tyrion while gloating what he’s done, and as LF goes in for the kill Sansa slits his fricking throat from behind in front of Ned’s tomb with the Valyrian Steel dagger after long figuring it out for herself. This is the clear end for him, but instead let’s let Dave and Dan break the fourth wall by directly telling the Starks about this and Littlefinger is a little bitch about it. Worst death in TV history.
Let’s face it: Littlefinger was taken out by a Human 8 Ball, and nothing through people solving what he actually did. I mean seriously, they got a cheat sheet from some random cog they didn’t account for. Wouldn’t it be much more satisfying if Sansa solved it on her own?
I also think they got the daughter wrong to directly kill him. Arya had basically no connection to Littlefinger before Season 7. Yes he betrayed her father, but they had barely shared a scene together in the show and haven’t at all in the books. That was not the daughter to kill him. Littlefinger is Sansa’s target, not Arya’s.
And then he goes out whimpering too. Littlefinger wouldn’t take all these risks if he were a whimperer. He’s the most evil person in Westeros and should go out pretty defiant.
I can’t think of anything that worked in that scene. It’s just a waste of a character. He went out on a whimper despite starting the whole thing. It’s clear to me how you kill him: have Tyrion demand his surrender after being charged by the White Walkers, LF refuses, Tyrion comes over the walls of Winterfell, LF goes into the crypts with Tyrion following him, LF nearly kills Tyrion while gloating what he’s done, and as LF goes in for the kill Sansa slits his fricking throat from behind in front of Ned’s tomb with the Valyrian Steel dagger after long figuring it out for herself. This is the clear end for him, but instead let’s let Dave and Dan break the fourth wall by directly telling the Starks about this and Littlefinger is a little bitch about it. Worst death in TV history.
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:13 pm to OMLandshark
It was so bad
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:17 pm to Carson123987
Things in general are getting rushed and kind of thrown together in these later seasons. Pretty noticeable decline generally after the show passed up the books. I'm still committed though.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:18 pm to OMLandshark
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Tyrion comes over the walls of Winterfell,
I don't think the snow banks were high enough for Tyrion to climb over the walls of Winterfell (forget that there was no snow on the ground for the Battle of the Bastards).
They had to hurry things up.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:21 pm to Peazey
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Things in general are getting rushed and kind of thrown together in these later seasons. Pretty noticeable decline generally after the show passed up the books. I'm still committed though.
In the books, I’m pretty thoroughly convinced it’s coming down to the War of the Three Hands. At the end of WOW, I think Varys controls the South, Littlefinger controls the North, with Dany just arriving in Dragonstone with a depleted force and Jon with one as well roaming the North with a fallen Wall. Tyrion I think will realize the key to winning is by saving the realm from the Others, and Varys and Littlefinger will cower from it.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:21 pm to PowerTool
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I don't think the snow banks were high enough for Tyrion to climb over the walls of Winterfell (forget that there was no snow on the ground for the Battle of the Bastards).
I’m talking about him bringing a dragon. That’s why he’s alone in the crypts. I think he’ll have Rhaegal and give him to Jon, which fulfills the Lion betrayal to Dany.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:32 pm to OMLandshark
Disagree. I think Sansa figures him out either way. Sansa knows how much Ayra loved her dad and would doubt that she would ever betray any immediate family member no matter how mad she gets at them. Plus, she knew that Littlefinger was in it for himself after he dropped her off with Ramsey w/o so much as a warning. She had already seen him murder her aunt that he was sleeping with so she knew he had it in him to betray a person he claimed to love. I don't see anything wrong with him going out like a baby either. Just b/c he was an evil POS doesn't mean he had balls of steal. The main reason he did so much backroom dealing and skullduggery was he knew he couldn't take people on with force.
Will he die differently in the books? Maybe. But I really don't think D&D are straying too far from what GRRM has planned. He probably gave them a basic outline and anything that pisses people off too badly from the show he will change after the fact. Odds are he already has most of everything written and is just changing things that fans freak out about.
Will he die differently in the books? Maybe. But I really don't think D&D are straying too far from what GRRM has planned. He probably gave them a basic outline and anything that pisses people off too badly from the show he will change after the fact. Odds are he already has most of everything written and is just changing things that fans freak out about.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 1:45 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:45 pm to Dr RC
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I think Sansa figures him out either way
But her suspicions were confirmed by a Human 8 Ball; ie the fricking Writers. They broke the 4th Wall here. No she should fully figure him out on her own. It was simply insulting to both Sansa and Littlefinger.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:02 am to OMLandshark
IDK isn’t that the point of GOT?
You can be just, you can be honorable, you can be smart and tricky and in the end nothing matters. You can always just get killed.
Daeny hasn’t exactly been tactically brilliant outside of having dragons.
You can be just, you can be honorable, you can be smart and tricky and in the end nothing matters. You can always just get killed.
Daeny hasn’t exactly been tactically brilliant outside of having dragons.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:36 am to OMLandshark
People always talk about dorne, but the season 7 winterfell stuff was the corniest plot in all of game of thrones.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:58 am to MF Doom
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Pretty noticeable decline generally after the show passed up the books.
This. I blame Martin for this and he DGAF.
He did what he sought out to do. Break the two big plots in fantasy writing.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 4:33 am to OMLandshark
LF, Roose, Stannis, Selmy, Doran are all awful.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 5:24 am to td01241
From a pure badass going out like a bitch death, Areo Hotah is the biggest head scratcher for sure
Posted on 1/10/19 at 6:45 am to OMLandshark
One thing you can always count on with the TV version of GoT is that when the character stops developing, they are killed.
Think about the characters and ask... what can be done with him/her? When you start scratching your head trying to figure it out... it’s time for that character to die.
The problem with show Littlefinger is that they wrote him into a corner against the Stark girls. Either he or one of them was going to get it, and it wasn’t going to be one of them. At that point, what’s Littlefinger to do? All that’s left is to be sacrificed to the audience.
Think about the characters that are left. The ones that seem stuck in neutral... they will go next.
Think about the characters and ask... what can be done with him/her? When you start scratching your head trying to figure it out... it’s time for that character to die.
The problem with show Littlefinger is that they wrote him into a corner against the Stark girls. Either he or one of them was going to get it, and it wasn’t going to be one of them. At that point, what’s Littlefinger to do? All that’s left is to be sacrificed to the audience.
Think about the characters that are left. The ones that seem stuck in neutral... they will go next.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:00 am to SpqrTiger
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Think about the characters that are left. The ones that seem stuck in neutral... they will go next.
I agree completely. Once the show surpassed the book material, they lost the political intrigue that was expertly done in the books. They couldn't write for Littlefinger anymore.
I think Varys will be next to go. He's one of those stealthy political characters that doesn't have the book to save him.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:16 am to OMLandshark
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And then he goes out whimpering too. Littlefinger wouldn’t take all these risks if he were a whimperer. He’s the most evil person in Westeros and should go out pretty defiant.
I don't know...he says it was to protect Sansa, then he outright denies the charges. He even becomes defiant and claims that nobody knows because they weren't there, until Bran shuts that shite down and recalls him holding the knife to Ned's throat and telling him about not trusting him or whatever.
At that point he knows he's fricked, so then he pleads with Sansa to speak alone and is trying anything he can to save his own arse. Then he becomes defiant again and demands to be escorted back to the Vale.
When all that didn't work, he begs like a bitch. But it's not like that was his first go-to move...he had tried everything else and that was his last ditch effort to save himself. At that point he was a man without options. Seems believable enough for me.
Here is the scene.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:33 am to OMLandshark
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They broke the 4th Wall here.
The characters acknowledged and spoke directly to the audience or referred to the fact that they were in a show?
I don't believe you're using that term correctly here, either time you said it.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:40 am to OMLandshark
They killed the Blackfish off screen and they butchered Barristan’s character completely but LF is the one that bothers you more? At least LF had some lead up to it. D&D rightly catch shite for combining characters and storylines but trying to rein George’s story back in wasn’t going to be easy for good writers much less two that still insert dick and fart jokes into every season.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:44 am to CocomoLSU
Plenty of cowards work in the shadows. I have no problem with that little dandy of a man turning into a crying mess once finally exposed.
Not sure why he thought Sansa would ever forgive him for all the rape and sodomy Ramsey heaped on her. That was more out of character than him crying on the floor.
He was instrumental in Ned's death. He essentially started the whole sequence of deaths. He should actually sit at the top of Arya's death list so of course she is the one who would take him out.
I thought the whole scenario played out fine. Sansa only brought Littlefinger back into the fold to save John and get her revenge on Ramsey while not trusting little finger one single bit. She played him.
Not sure why he thought Sansa would ever forgive him for all the rape and sodomy Ramsey heaped on her. That was more out of character than him crying on the floor.
He was instrumental in Ned's death. He essentially started the whole sequence of deaths. He should actually sit at the top of Arya's death list so of course she is the one who would take him out.
I thought the whole scenario played out fine. Sansa only brought Littlefinger back into the fold to save John and get her revenge on Ramsey while not trusting little finger one single bit. She played him.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:45 am to OMLandshark
television history is quite hyperbolic.
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