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re: Is Captain Marvel a Mary Sue?
Posted on 4/20/19 at 9:42 am to bluestem75
Posted on 4/20/19 at 9:42 am to bluestem75
You know why they call it a “cockpit” right!?
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Posted on 4/20/19 at 9:42 am to Jay Are
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Women shouldn't have roll models until they're old enough to see R-rated movies?
You could watch the original Star Wars Trilogy where Leia is a princess that's also integral to the resistance movement, fearless when confronting Vader, and a great general and troop leader on Hoth, etc... Leia is a beautiful strong smart woman and no one bitches about it being feminism because her character has growth and depth and meaning.
Little girls can also watch Harry Potter, Mulan, Brave, beauty and the Beast, etc...
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/20/19 at 9:47 am to Nguyener
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Sara Conner
Ellen Ripley
Princess Leia
Trinity
Leeloo
Uma in Kill Bill
Furiosa
It's very possible to write a bad arse female lead in an action movie and it's infuriating when someone acts like women have never been represented in action roles.
There are some great characters in there, but I think at least 3 of them are not the lead characters in the movies they were in. (I say at least three because I don't know who Furiosa is).
Posted on 4/20/19 at 9:52 am to Methuselah
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I say at least three because I don't know who Furiosa is.
Fury Road
Posted on 4/20/19 at 10:07 am to Dead End
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Is Captain Marvel a Mary Sue?
I would say no and I think that Rey is.
There isn't much difference in terms of struggle for Danvers compared to any of the other Marvel heroes (Iron Man, America, Spiderman, etc). They all struggled and found themselves and their strength inside.
Rey just kept being gifted power as the movie went on and never had to learn anything, she was just pure power.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 10:50 am to Dead End
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If Kill Bill had come out in our current obsession with identity politics/hating identity politics, a bunch of you guys would hate it.
That's simply not true.
Yes it is. Peeps here would be melting that it opens up with her getting raped by a redneck dude at the hospital, would say Bill was the left's representation of toxic masculinity, that she only did so well b/c she had to get a special sword from a man, and a woman could never ever be so amazing at fighting that she could kill waves of bad guys like it was no big deal.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 11:28 am to Methuselah
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Yeah. People just grab on to these terms and apply them to any character or story line they don't like.
The dimwitted, backwoods mongoloids who populate this site rarely get anything correct.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 11:33 am to Dr RC
The Bride, and Captain Marvel, both went through extensive training to get their skills. Rey did not.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 11:37 am to Ham Solo
quote:That is not a cat.
They made him a complete bitch in this movie that lost his eye to a cat.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 11:41 am to Brosef Stalin
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Rey did not
Danvers is not Mary Sue, but Rey is a text book example of it.
If you really think about the time line of TLJ she is with Luke Two days and two nights. Not a lot of training happened in those 48 hours.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 11:47 am to PowerTool
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Just out of curiosity, why did the whole "Mary Sue" thing start popping up so much on entertainment boards lately? I know it's not a new term, but I don't remember ever seeing it this much.
Because Hollywood over the last 5 years or so has gone off the deep end with the "strong female" characters. The problem is, they think for a female character to be "strong" and inspiring she has to be damn near magically perfect at everything and have no faults or weaknesses and always succeed. Which ultimately makes the character a boring caricature.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 11:52 am to skrayper
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By definition no.
Mary Sue isn't just a powerful character with no flaws, or a single flaw designed to keep them kinda human.
They are author inserts of themselves into perfect characters. Wish fulfillment really
This was the original definition but it's clear the term has evolved to mean a shallow female character presented as way too all around powerful and perfect without any real depth or growth.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 12:12 pm to bluestem75
The good I’m hoping that comes from the captain marvel movie is I hope that they finally now feel comfortable opening the universe up to the true heavyweights in the marvel universe without nerfing them like they did dr strange, Scarlet witch, vision, etc...
Marvel has some badass beings in the universe but I think the mcu is afraid to take that step because they would have trouble humanizing them as someone the audience can relate to
So maybe if they want to make captain marvel the center of the universe and they amp up her powers a bit from the comic book, they will feel comfortable bringing cosmic beings into play if they are phasing out the older avengers
Marvel has some badass beings in the universe but I think the mcu is afraid to take that step because they would have trouble humanizing them as someone the audience can relate to
So maybe if they want to make captain marvel the center of the universe and they amp up her powers a bit from the comic book, they will feel comfortable bringing cosmic beings into play if they are phasing out the older avengers
Posted on 4/20/19 at 12:32 pm to PEPE
Marvel is a just a bad character, she is clearly a forced insertion to the universe. It’s gonna be a shame if they spent all this time building the universe and she was added late to the game to save the day. Not spoilers, but read some things from one of the leakers that said there was a lot of arguments and reshoots because the top brass wanted Marvel a huge part of Infinity War/Endgame and directors/writers wanted to focus on the original characters that they been building through the phases.
It’s like you guys read the Wikipedia definition and reversed it. Original was a satirical over skilled female Star Trek fan fic. People want to make it wish fulfillment today.
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This was the original definition but it's clear the term has evolved to mean a shallow female character presented as way too all around powerful and perfect without any real depth or growth.
It’s like you guys read the Wikipedia definition and reversed it. Original was a satirical over skilled female Star Trek fan fic. People want to make it wish fulfillment today.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 12:43 pm to Brosef Stalin
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The Bride, and Captain Marvel, both went through extensive training to get their skills. Rey did not.
I think you are on to something. Most people liked Wonder Woman fine and, while she has some top level power due primarily to being born an Amazon (ie: she did not "earn" that power), it was shown or at least heavily implied that she did a ton of training while she was growing up.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 1:18 pm to PEPE
Whatever the definition of a Mary Sue is, it doesn’t matter. OP is trying to say Marvel is a lame character bc she’s overpowered and shallow, and this can lead to a disappointing end to the Infinity War saga.
I think she’s probably a little overpowered for the movie universe. I’m not talking about comics. If she can just drop in at the 20th movie and be more powerful than any other Avenger, it is sort of a letdown. Thor is powerful but it’s sort of akin to Wonder Woman—it’s expected of him. And he’s not invincible. Hulk is strong but has turmoil. Dr Strange is powerful and his powers are a little undefined in the movies but we’ve seen he does have limits.
I think she’s probably a little overpowered for the movie universe. I’m not talking about comics. If she can just drop in at the 20th movie and be more powerful than any other Avenger, it is sort of a letdown. Thor is powerful but it’s sort of akin to Wonder Woman—it’s expected of him. And he’s not invincible. Hulk is strong but has turmoil. Dr Strange is powerful and his powers are a little undefined in the movies but we’ve seen he does have limits.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 1:28 pm to Nguyener
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Sara Conner
Ellen Ripley
Princess Leia
Trinity
Leeloo
Uma in Kill Bill
Furiosa
Trinity and Leeloo both ended up relying on a strong male to bail them out.
I never got the woman power in Fury Road. I thought Hardy took away from that.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 1:35 pm to Brosef Stalin
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first time I heard the term
It has been around wayyyy longer than that.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 3:39 pm to Jay Are
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Women shouldn't have roll models until they're old enough to see R-rated movies?
Women's role models have to be recycled male role models? What's wrong with being a woman and having their inherent strengths? Is it it just better to have traditional white male tendencies?
Posted on 4/20/19 at 3:44 pm to cable
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