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Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:00 pm to jatilen
Bedazzlers and parasites....
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:15 pm to Roaad
Goddamn that was a beatdown....have an upvote!
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:18 pm to SammyTiger
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Sansa was raped by a man she was forced to marry literally because she was seen as property in a patriarchal society.
So....islam?
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:19 pm to Bronc
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The thing is they didn't have Breitbart around telling them to be outraged about the "woke" storytelling.
Sort of the way Democrat Undergroun tells you to troll message boards in support of woke bullzhit?
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:19 pm to dawgfan24348
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you needed a stupid article to point how how the system in GoT was patriarchal and how much misogyny
You’re so stupid that you can’t even comprehend that I’m not arguing whether or not were themes of patriarchy in the original show.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:21 pm to Bronc
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Personally I really, really care if Conservatives watch it and am going to post incessantly about it for days and days....
Fixed it, amigo....
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:48 pm to Proximo
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Show me one article of the first few seasons of GOT where a show runner or actor stated publicly the purpose of the show was to bring down the patriarchy
Did you not read the next one?
Posted on 8/10/22 at 1:06 pm to Roaad
All I see is refusal to to actually respond to the comments instead use deflection and emojis. All of these things you idiots are melting about were present in the OG show only difference is you didn’t have an article to whip you up into a frenzy last time
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 1:07 pm to Proximo
Translation you can’t produce an argument 
Posted on 8/10/22 at 2:08 pm to Bronc
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Arya's entire arc features her defying gender stereotypes and expectations in her society and Caitlin stands in as someone that promotes embracing them and finding strength and power within the patriarchal structure.
Are you fricking kidding me with this tripe? Arya was simply a female more interested in some of the things males are traditionally more interested in, she wasn't doing it to prove "OMG WOMENZ IZ SKRONG!!!" Catlyn's attempts to tone her down had already dropped to being half-hearted at best by the time we are introduced. Hell, her father not only approves, but he also encourages it by hiring a teacher for her.
Arya isn't out to kill men in order to "disrupt the patriarchy" or whatever bullshite philosophy you want to ascribe to her actions, she was simply a female who enjoyed the idea of combat then (because of how the story played out) used her learned skills to kill those who had dangerously wronged her and/or her family.
What you're attempting to fabricate is the woke bullshite people loathe, it becomes the center of that character's story because that's the story the writer is wanting to tell (ie: "strong woman defies society to overthrow the patriarchy").
The reality is that she was a strong character who had some natural strength of will and had definite interests. Those interests were fed by her father and then fed by events which unfolded in the story, to turn her into the weapon she always wanted to be. Her interests weren't "I have to do this to prove females are strong", her physical weakness was actually taken into account (see: Needle, for example) and she made up for this with speed, cunning and some Faceless Men magic.
The differences between those two things are the differences in writing woke dreck which has no point other than to lecture the audience versus writing a good story with good character development (see also: The Mandalorian).
Posted on 8/10/22 at 2:23 pm to Bard
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Arya isn't out to kill men in order to "disrupt the patriarchy"
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What you're attempting to fabricate is the woke bullshite people loathe
If Game of Thrones had premiered after 2015, it would have gotten the wrath of 30 anti-woke MTV board threads per season.
Edit: Maybe the show didn’t do something as eyerolling as stopping all the action for a character to give a 10 minute soliloquy on the patriarchy of Westeros.
But what supposedly “woke” shows that this board hates ever actually does something that preachy to rile your anger? You get riled up for a 10 second “Girl Power” panning shot of all the female Avengers during the ultimate battle of the Saga.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 2:35 pm to Bard
You literally haven’t even seen the first episode yet here you are melting down and making up shite like wokeism in order to justify your anger.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 5:14 pm to jatilen
Don’t have time to read the whole thread, so this may have been said already, but why do they have to go even further into shite like this.
Despite the shite pile that was the last season of GOT, they worked their arse off to make sure the women were the most dominant.
Jaimie and pretty much every other man in the show was a sub to Cersei for 7 seasons.
Sansa gets Winterfell
Arya is the most BA killer in the world and steals Jon’s night king moment.
Don’t even have to get into Dany.
Hell the only “man” that had any power at the end was the least imposing male on the entire show.
And I’m not one to overreact to things like this either, but why is it that every single time a show starts the show runners say shite like this.
This is a perfect example of it’s never too much until it is. This bums me out.
Despite the shite pile that was the last season of GOT, they worked their arse off to make sure the women were the most dominant.
Jaimie and pretty much every other man in the show was a sub to Cersei for 7 seasons.
Sansa gets Winterfell
Arya is the most BA killer in the world and steals Jon’s night king moment.
Don’t even have to get into Dany.
Hell the only “man” that had any power at the end was the least imposing male on the entire show.
And I’m not one to overreact to things like this either, but why is it that every single time a show starts the show runners say shite like this.
This is a perfect example of it’s never too much until it is. This bums me out.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 5:20 pm to LSUFAN227
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Don’t have time to read the whole thread, so this may have been said already, but why do they have to go even further into shite like this. Despite the shite pile that was the last season of GOT, they worked their arse off to make sure the women were the most dominant. Jaimie and pretty much every other man in the show was a sub to Cersei for 7 seasons. Sansa gets Winterfell Arya is the most BA killer in the world and steals Jon’s night king moment. Don’t even have to get into Dany. Hell the only “man” that had any power at the end was the least imposing male on the entire show. And I’m not one to overreact to things like this either, but why is it that every single time a show starts the show runners say shite like this. This is a perfect example of it’s never too much until it is. This bums me out.
You raise valid questions about “when is too much too much?” which is valid and gets to the heart of when a franchise spinoff is not absolutely needed because it is essentially doing what the original series already did.
And at least you’re acknowledging that the original series already did this, so you’ve got that going for you as opposed to the others who just want to pretend that the og GoT wouldn’t trigger their anti-woke meltdowns had they not already been invested in the series prior to having the word “woke” to describe why certain things make them uncomfortable.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 5:50 pm to dawgfan24348
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Yara literally got laughed at during Kingnsmoot because she was a woman, nobody took Brienne seriously as a fighter because she was a woman, Sansa was used as basically a marriage tool to hold the North, Dany faced major pushback for being a woman, it’s pretty amazing how people want to ignore the fact these themes existed in the GoT as well. Tywin literally told Cersei dozens of times that she’s a woman and should do as she’s told.
1st off, I'm watching the show. If you read my previous comment you'd see that I said this girls comment didn't bother me or tell me anything about the show that I didn't know.
I'm not ignoring anything. I mean two of the five people you mentioned I agreed with dumbass, read my post.
But I completely disagree with a "almost every single female character had a misogyny type theme" to their story thinking Bronc mentioned. Especially his Aryas take. It's like this board has to be one extreme or the other on a subject now.
Yara got laughed at. O wow, what a central point to her character. Was that before or after the part where her dad anointed her to rule instead of his son? Poor girl, her dad chose her over his son, what a terrible struggle she had to overcome. Plus in the book she lost the kingsmoot fair and square.
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Brienne seriously as a fighter because she was a woman,
And she whipped their arse because of it and was respected afterwards by pretty much everybody she came in contact with.
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Sansa was used as basically a marriage tool to hold the North
Yes and she was a childish kid that made plenty of mistakes on her own. She said herself "I'm a slow learner, but I learn." If you think that was the theme of her story or her arc, then you have a pretty shallow viewpoint to her character. She went from a foolish, fanciful kid to a girl who could lead and became more sly than the slyest character in the entire show.
The argument for or against this doesn't have to be "GAME OF THRONES DIDNT HAVE ANY OF THIS" or "ALL THE MAIN CHARACTERS THEMES WERE INTERNALIZED MISOGYNY RELATED." It can be both.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:14 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Plus in the book she lost the kingsmoot fair and square.
Fair and square is certainly debatable. She wasn't exactly on an even playing field against Europe magical dragon horn that killed people.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:47 pm to iwyLSUiwy
You basically stated you disagree with my post then proceeded to post counter evidence that backs it up…
If you reread my post, I explicitly pointed out to you that part of how patriarchy and misogyny are explored in this universe is simply through the contrasting ways in which different cultures have different levels of equality and freedom for woman. Yara/Asha’s lot is unusual and the book and show speak to this. She managed to earn her way by basically over excelling to prove her worth and gain some semblance of respect, but the book pretty explicitly makes clear many on the island will never respect her because they do not believe woman should ever be a commander of a longship or rule the Iron Islands, even though it is constantly reiterated she is amongst the best raiders and naval minds. The show is even more explicit in pushing the patriarchal elements into the forefront when the Euron/Yara confrontation comes to a head.
If you reread my post, I explicitly pointed out to you that part of how patriarchy and misogyny are explored in this universe is simply through the contrasting ways in which different cultures have different levels of equality and freedom for woman. Yara/Asha’s lot is unusual and the book and show speak to this. She managed to earn her way by basically over excelling to prove her worth and gain some semblance of respect, but the book pretty explicitly makes clear many on the island will never respect her because they do not believe woman should ever be a commander of a longship or rule the Iron Islands, even though it is constantly reiterated she is amongst the best raiders and naval minds. The show is even more explicit in pushing the patriarchal elements into the forefront when the Euron/Yara confrontation comes to a head.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:59 pm to LSUFAN227
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And I’m not one to overreact to things like this either, but why is it that every single time a show starts the show runners say shite like this.
Because they get asked questions?
I’m 99% confident this entire exchange didn’t start because the Indiewire interviewer asked the actresses how the weather was and they just had to talk about misogyny in Westeros instead.
It almost assuredly was in response to some sort of question asking specifically about how the show is handling these issues.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:43 pm to Bronc
I don't count sheep to go to sleep. Sometimes I play back in my mind the evolution of Dianna Riggs' character in GOT. I didn't see it coming, but by the time her end happened, I realizes she was my favorite.
I doubt she would have been able to spew the chatter the new female stars are muttering.
I doubt she would have been able to spew the chatter the new female stars are muttering.
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