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re: Have we discussed Jordan Peeles overtly racist statements?
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:46 pm to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:46 pm to LoveThatMoney
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He says he doesn't see himself casting a white dude in a lead role. That he can cast black people in lead roles. That he has nothing against white people, but that he's seen that movie.
That's not racist. That's just saying he'd rather write and direct movies centered around a black protagonist.
As weird of a statement as this might be - this now depends upon what you define as racism.
If you consider racism to be treating people differently because of their skin color then yes, it is racist. Is it a primary obstruction for the white people who might otherwise have more opportunity for movies they want to see or movie roles they wish to be considered for? No, not in a meaningful way.
Should we worry about this? I think that's a personal decision. If you disagree enough with the intersectional definition of racism to avoid his movies then I think you should because you are avoiding this in the same way people who dislike Chick-fil-A in the 2000s or South African apartheid in the 80s wished to withhold their support from behaviors they regard as wrong.
At some level personal decisions will sometimes be altered by race. People have a tendency to have an impression of a personal interaction or a political event or a work of art be altered by the racial and other demographic characteristics of the parties involved. Technically that is racism - or at least an application of some discrimination in the process of forming an opinion.
Everyone is guilty of this at some level unless they are unable to mentally categorize groups.
So the approach of people to discussing racism in general is probably not likely to be useful if they consider the lack of racism to be a theoretical situation in which race was not a variable - because by that logic we indeed are all racists. I agree however that intersectional arguments which assume only people in power can be racists are also wrong because they devalue the importance of good behavior at the individual or collective level. People also do not lose all social or interpersonal power if those people happen to be minorities - in fact, sometimes they gain power and indeed we all can be considered minorities in some demographic respects (so this rapidly becomes a useless oppression competition because social advantage can be received by pointing out the ways in which every group or individual is a minority).
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:47 pm to 225bred
I feel like, when I was growing up, the threshold of what necessitated outrage was much higher.
Any chance we can start going backwards with this?
I think we can agree that no one is gonna die because of these remarks.
Any chance we can start going backwards with this?
I think we can agree that no one is gonna die because of these remarks.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:49 pm to 225bred
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Jordan Peele comes out and says he does not want to cast white actors in his movies.
There were more white actors than black actors in Get Out.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:52 pm to molsusports
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If you consider racism to be treating people differently because of their skin color then yes, it is racist. Is it a primary obstruction for the white people who might otherwise have more opportunity for movies they want to see or movie roles they wish to be considered for? No, not in a meaningful way.
I think black people can be racist. I don't think him saying he doesn't see himself casting a white dude as a lead is racist. I don't think a white guy saying he doesn't see himself casting a black dude as a lead is racist.
I think it would be racist of Peele to say that he would never cast a white dude because white people suck and can't act. Saying that he likes making films with black leads isn't racist. Pointing out that that hasn't been done a whole lot isn't racist.
Saying Black Panther is a fricking contender for Picture of the Year at the Academy Awards... Probably racist.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:53 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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There were more white actors than black actors in Get Out.
I have a hunch that the new Twilight Zone will have a ton of white actors as well.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:53 pm to Green Chili Tiger
The OP misquoted Peele for more outrage appeal.
This is the full quote:
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This is the full quote:
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Fame is still something he's figuring out. "I don't envy someone who gets famous overnight," Peele cautioned. "The hardest part is being recognized. I used to think that being in the public eye gave you power. But all of a sudden, they have the power and can come up to you an hour into dinner." But there are other kinds of power, and Peele plans on wielding his judiciously. One way is to keep putting black faces on the screen in leading roles. "The way I look at it," he explained, "I get to cast black people in my movies. I feel fortunate to be in this position where I can say to Universal, 'I want to make a $20 million horror movie with a black family.' And they say yes." It's a formula he's not interested in messing with. "I don’t see myself casting a white dude as the lead in my movie. Not that I don’t like white dudes," he said, nodding over to his moderator pal Roberts. "But I've seen that movie." The line drew loud applause and shouts of agreement. "It really is one of the best, greatest pieces of this story, is feeling like we are in this time — a renaissance has happened and proved the myths about representation in the industry are false."
LINK
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:54 pm to Fewer Kilometers
The poli board will only be happy if the gremlin in nightmare at 20,000 feet is played by Obama.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:55 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:The lead in the first episode is Adam Scott.
I have a hunch that the new Twilight Zone will have a ton of white actors as well.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:57 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:Replace this statement with Green Book and you have my full support
Saying Black Panther is a fricking contender for Picture of the Year at the Academy Awards... Probably racist.
But really, I didn't think Black Panther should have been nominated for Best Picture either. But it was clear that the Academy needed to rebound from last year.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:02 pm to 225bred
He's told two new stories. He's allowed to pick his characters for them.
It's not like he's been put in charge of James Bond and is making him black because.
Or a network trying to make the Anansi Boys, Fat Charlie and Spider, white.
It's not like he's been put in charge of James Bond and is making him black because.
Or a network trying to make the Anansi Boys, Fat Charlie and Spider, white.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:10 pm to 225bred
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225bred
You seem like an intelligent, scholarly fellow
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:10 pm to 225bred
His statements weren't racist. Some roles naturally require a man to play. Some require a woman to play. Some roles will require a white guy. Some will require a black guy.
How is he saying he wants to direct movies centered around black people racist.
I wouldn't lose my shite because it is no surprise. There are plenty of directors who hasn't cast a single black person as a lead. I don't consider that racist. That's just how life goes.
How is he saying he wants to direct movies centered around black people racist.
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Just imagine the backlash if a white director said he doesn't want to cast black actors in his movies. HOLY shite you all would lose your shite.
I wouldn't lose my shite because it is no surprise. There are plenty of directors who hasn't cast a single black person as a lead. I don't consider that racist. That's just how life goes.
This post was edited on 3/28/19 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:12 pm to JBeam
If your statement is where the OP is getting his argument from, then OP is a shite stain and needs to stick to the Poli board with the other shite stains.
I guess the inbred circle jerk over there got boring.
I guess the inbred circle jerk over there got boring.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:18 pm to LoveThatMoney
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I think Us looks inane.
US(play on words yo)is an awesome movie until you start punching holes through its logic.
Not the first nor the last movie to be like that, but the ending ruined the film.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:33 pm to Scruffy
Let's be clear. There is a double standard here, but I don't think having a double standard is always a bad thing.
For example, a man punching a woman in the face. He is a POS. He did that knowing she would not be able to defend herself.
A woman punching a man in the face, no it is not ok. But it is completely disingenuous to pretend it is the same. The man does have the ability to defend himself. Men and women are physically not the same. It's ok to have different standards for them based on those physical differences.
Bringing it back to this, black people are a minority in this country. Everyone knows this. White people are by far the majority in this country. There is no shortage of horror movies with white leads. There is no shortage of any type of movies with white leads. That's why. There's a double standard because of the sheer number of white people compared to every other race in this country.
It is perfectly fine for a black director to desire to make movies centered around black people. Just as it is ok for an Asian director to desire to make movies centered around Asian people. Or an Hispanic director to make movies centered around Hispanic people. It is extremely easy for white people to find movies featuring white leads or white families. It is not nearly as easy to find movies with black, asian, hispanic, etc leads.
We are not treating Peele different solely on his skin color, but rather the difference between being a minority or majority in this country. None of this is racist, it is just life.
Now if Peele said he will refuse to hire white people because they can't act, or are inferior to black actors, then yes we would be able to say that he is racist.
For example, a man punching a woman in the face. He is a POS. He did that knowing she would not be able to defend herself.
A woman punching a man in the face, no it is not ok. But it is completely disingenuous to pretend it is the same. The man does have the ability to defend himself. Men and women are physically not the same. It's ok to have different standards for them based on those physical differences.
Bringing it back to this, black people are a minority in this country. Everyone knows this. White people are by far the majority in this country. There is no shortage of horror movies with white leads. There is no shortage of any type of movies with white leads. That's why. There's a double standard because of the sheer number of white people compared to every other race in this country.
It is perfectly fine for a black director to desire to make movies centered around black people. Just as it is ok for an Asian director to desire to make movies centered around Asian people. Or an Hispanic director to make movies centered around Hispanic people. It is extremely easy for white people to find movies featuring white leads or white families. It is not nearly as easy to find movies with black, asian, hispanic, etc leads.
We are not treating Peele different solely on his skin color, but rather the difference between being a minority or majority in this country. None of this is racist, it is just life.
Now if Peele said he will refuse to hire white people because they can't act, or are inferior to black actors, then yes we would be able to say that he is racist.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:38 pm to QJenk
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Now if Peele said he will refuse to hire white people because they can't act, or are inferior to black actors, then yes we would be able to say that he is racist.
Which I haven't seen evidence of. Nor that he said he wouldn't hire white actors.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:39 pm to QJenk
completely agree QJenk - i wasn't bothered by what he said. he just stated that since he is afforded the ability to tell his stories, and to orient them around black protagonists, nothing wrong with it.
maybe if people stopped over analyzing every word that is said just so they can scream outrage, the world would be a better place.
maybe if people stopped over analyzing every word that is said just so they can scream outrage, the world would be a better place.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:41 pm to 225bred
Oh nooooo!!!! What will white actors do? It’s not like they can just audition for any of the other million movies being made.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:42 pm to 225bred
Jordan Peele is Christopher Nolan for black people
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:43 pm to 225bred
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Muh whataboutisms
It’s a valid question. Hard to take someone’s “outrage” over this seriously when they ignore THE SAME shite with other directors.
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