re: GoT S7 E4 "The Spoils of War" MAESTERS Thread

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you have to suspend disbelief when you see it on screen

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Which is the entire first post I made about it, that you just have to wave that off with a huge suspension of disbelief.

here's where you sacrifice realism to relay the point...arya is dangerous despite not wearing armor and swinging a big fricking sword. dangerous enough to kill anyone in 1 on 1 combat...and now people know. these characters haven't been together since the first season so they have to all catch up...that was a good way of visual communication instead of more boring expository dialogue that doesn't inform the audience, but just catches other characters up to speed.

arya will dawn the face of Catelyn to put littlefinger off his game before she murders him. and she's going to murder the frick out of him. littlefinger has one last scheme in play but bran can see everything and arya can be anyone (that's dead)...he won't survive the season.

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Rapiers beat broadswords when it comes to 1 on 1 combat. We're talking about a 2 ft length of fishing rod vs a 3 ft 2x4, and first good contact wins. You're not chopping anyone's head off with Needle, but you can skewer them and/or slice up their throat.

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let's be clear Brienne was in full armor and fighting her with a sword, especially something like a rapier, would be pointless

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Except in most realistic circumstances a speed advantage is not actually that great. Again to use a comparison to something we actually see, you don't see 50-100 lb. mismatches in boxing because because the little guy is "faster." A punch or a sword moves faster than anyone realistically "dodge"

Also the comparisons to Oberyn are a bit ridiculous. He is a full grown man using a spear which gave him a reach advantage. Arya has much shorter arms and is using a tiny sword.

As to her "deflecting" the sword rather than blocking it, I have actually partied a blunt sword with a sword. It ain't a matter of speed as much as it is pure strength. Those those a fricking heavy and F=MA is based on Brienne swinging a bigass sword at her.

The scene is far from making me dislike the show, but there is a reason that large men tend to be the best fighters in Westeros.

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I get what you're saying, and you have to realize that part of the purpose of that scene was to show how far Arya has come with her abilities. Also, there's more at play than big vs small. It's also a question of comfort level vs your opponent and their fighting style.

It's like one of those hypothetical matches that people like to talk about. If Bruce Lee fought Mike Tyson, who would win? Well Bruce would be fricked if Tyson landed one of his cannon shot on him, so in a pure boxing match it would be no contest. But, if it was fought using each fighter's actual style, would you really be surprised if Bruce won?

Arya has only fought people bigger than her. Brienne has never (as far as we know) fought anyone that much smaller, faster, and using that type of style.

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the purpose of that scene was to show how far Arya has come with her abilities.

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but Arya's abilities are in assassinating people, not swordplay. that's the problem with how the framed that scene

plus they already established these abilities with her killing all the Freys and getting past the guards at Winterfell

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arya will dawn the face of Catelyn to put littlefinger off his game before she murders him.

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That would be some sweet justice almost as sweet as Tyrion riding a dragon lighting his sister on fire.

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but Arya's abilities are in assassinating people, not swordplay. that's the problem with how the framed that scene

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She's been trained by Syrio forrell, The Hound in a way, and by the faceless men (while learning how to fight blind)

Clearly she's been taught how to fight. She's more than an assasin and that was the point of that scene. She can kick some fricking arse

Yes, it's Dany's (a fictional character) fault, and not the result of the storyboard and directing.

Regardless of how this ends up, I will be glad to see the end of the ridiculous overthinking.

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even full armor has its weaknesses.

Just look at the Mountain vs the Viper fight.

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well that fight was more realistic than pretty much any others, especially how Oberyn went about winning

fighting armor required a mace or war hammer