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re: GoT S7 E3 Thread: 'The Queen's Justice' Maester Thread
Posted on 7/31/17 at 3:42 pm to Speedy G
Posted on 7/31/17 at 3:42 pm to Speedy G
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I am just about pulling my hair out over Dany/Tyrion's siege plans.
They had an overwhelming force, plus 3 fullsized dragons, correct? victory at King's Landing was a foregone conclusion. But, they passed on that because too many people who dislike them will die, or something.
So, they divide their overwhelmingly large force into small vulnerable forces and send them in different directions with uncertain outcomes. And, the three dragons just fly around doing nothing.
Now, they have a much smaller army, disbursed and/or trapped away from KL, and no navy. These maneuvers were impossibly stupid, and there had to be a better way to delay the ultimate victory at KL.
They got that big fancy war board, but no one who know how to play it.
I agree with everything you are saying, but then I realized they had to get Jon Snow and Dany on the same page. If she saw no need for his alliance that storyline of their evolving relationship would be irrelevant.
Now, that shite just got relevant as you see in the preview for the next episode. Trust me, Dany and her dragons are about to make waste of Jamie and his army. A blood bath. It will strike fear and dred into all of the 7 kingdoms too.
I find it hysterical that some stationary bow with an arrow is going to take down some quick, fast, and intelligent dragon out of the sky by someone who has never seen it or used it. Horrible way to attempt to make a means for neutralizing the dragons. Who is a master at using this thing? And who they hell is being trained how to use it? I'm sure one of the dragons will be injured obviously, but in the end all that matters is the whitewalkers. It is the only thing that matters in terms of survival and had Tyrion and Dany not failed in their initial endeavors militarily then it is quite possible that she would never had made a pact with Jon to serve him up North against the Whitewalkers.
Just my two cents.
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 3:50 pm to Speedy G
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I am just about pulling my hair out over Dany/Tyrion's siege plans.
I just don't get all the outrage/hand wringing about this.
They were using Yara's fleet for transport. They told them where to go and what to do, but besides that they pretty much relied on Yara to handle the details. (You know, like setting a fricking lookout or using scout ships).
Casterly Rock they just got fooled, but it's not like it was some huge blow. The unsullied have a transportation problem (again with the lack of lookouts or scout ships), but they also took Casterly Rock without losing nearly as many unsullied as they thought they would.
If they've taken the Lannister's best blows and are still in this good of shape, then I think they'll be fine.
I mean yeah, they've lost some allies, but what did those allies bring to the table besides cannon fodder? Yara and her fleet were obviously really bad at "ruling the seas", Highgarden folded against a smaller Lannister force, and it seems like Dorne never brought anything to the table besides the Sand Snakes.
Meanwhile, Dany still has her unsullied, they're just out of position, she's working on an alliance that would give her the North and The Vale, and she hasn't even put the Dothraki or the Dragons in play yet.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:05 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I mean dorne still has an army ruled by someone correct?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:07 pm to reo45
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I find it hysterical that some stationary bow with an arrow is going to take down some quick, fast, and intelligent dragon out of the sky by someone who has never seen it or used it
This......it would have to be close range for that thing to do any real damage. Much closer than the dragons need to be to burn a motherfricker.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:08 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Who rules the Stormlands right now?
Storms End never fell, so the ruler of the Stormlands would be the castle's steward.
In the books, Aegon Targaryen VI rules the Stormlands!
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:08 pm to Green Chili Tiger
We know the Dothraki Horde is coming at some point this season, 'twas in the series preview
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:09 pm to tilco
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This......it would have to be close range for that thing to do any real damage. Much closer than the dragons need to be to burn a motherfricker.
I'm sure they're making multiple of them and dragons provide a big target. If they just got one of their wings, then it grounds the dragon.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:11 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
But if a power vacuum down there. I doubt Ellaria had a ton of loyal supporters, so I would think the nobles are fighting it out.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:21 pm to tilco
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I find it hysterical that some stationary bow with an arrow is going to take down some quick, fast, and intelligent dragon out of the sky by someone who has never seen it or used it
This......it would have to be close range for that thing to do any real damage. Much closer than the dragons need to be to burn a motherfricker.
Except that right now only Cersei and her minions know it even exists. All they have to do is wait for a dragon to go stationary like they did when they burned the ships in Slavers Bay, then take a shot. That may be the only shot they get, but it's the only shot they need for the end result of taking down 1 dragon.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:22 pm to jrodLSUke
So the stormlands are part of the 7 kingdoms but Robert never conquered them?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:23 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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If they've taken the Lannister's best blows and are still in this good of shape, then I think they'll be fine.
If the Lannister's best blows are attacking a completely unsuspecting fleet twice and taking Highgarden which has never been a very stron military power and probably didn't have a lot of supporters anyway, then they are more than fricked.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:23 pm to TigerinATL
they wouldn't have made a big deal about it like they did if it wasn't going to kill a dragon, eventually
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:24 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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So the stormlands are part of the 7 kingdoms but Robert never conquered them?
Robert didn't have to conquer them, he was the Lord of the Stormlands.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:25 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Ok. I'm stupid
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:29 pm to TigerinATL
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Except that right now only Cersei and her minions know it even exists. All they have to do is wait for a dragon to go stationary like they did when they burned the ships in Slavers Bay, then take a shot. That may be the only shot they get, but it's the only shot they need for the end result of taking down 1 dragon.
I would hope they would build more than one to take down all three of em.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:32 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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I would hope they would want to take down all three of em.
I think the implication is that once it's used, Dany would have to be an idiot to allow the other 2 dragons into range. It's a surprise attack that should really only work once. 2 dragons is better than 3.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:33 pm to Havoc
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but doesn't it not matter what happens in the books at this point, aside from major plot points?
Damned sure doesn't matter to me.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:38 pm to monkeybutt
I understand that, but since Dany would keep the dragons out of range once they're used, shouldn't they build like 100 or more of them to try and get all of them in one volley?
Look at it from Cersei's perspective, Dany most likely will win this because of the dragons, she loses without them. And if one of those arrows kills a dragon, fifty going into each one at one time is even better. So why not go for overkill? Especially if you get to use them one time and it could equal the odds tremendously. Hell, it would tip the scales in Cersei's favor if they killed all the dragons.
Look at it from Cersei's perspective, Dany most likely will win this because of the dragons, she loses without them. And if one of those arrows kills a dragon, fifty going into each one at one time is even better. So why not go for overkill? Especially if you get to use them one time and it could equal the odds tremendously. Hell, it would tip the scales in Cersei's favor if they killed all the dragons.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:39 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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If the Lannister's best blows are attacking a completely unsuspecting fleet twice and taking Highgarden which has never been a very stron military power and probably didn't have a lot of supporters anyway, then they are more than fricked.
Exactly. Make no mistake, taking Highgarden is impressive from a numbers standpoint, but the only successful military action I'm aware from Highgarden is the fact that they ambushed Stanis's forces when he tried to take Kings Landing. And that attack was led by Tywin Lannister.
Dany's biggest problem right now, aside from the white walkers which are everyone's biggest problem, is that she doesn't really have any troops that are suitable for siege craft. That was what she going to use the Dornish and the Tyrells for.
She has basically, the finest foot soldiers in the world (the unsullied), and the finest cavalry in the world (the dothraki), and the only air force in the world.
If anyone is stupid enough to meet her forces in the open field it will be a bloodbath. If she decides she's okay with the collateral damage she would inflict on a city, then it will be a bloodbath.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:43 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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She has basically, the finest foot soldiers in the world (the unsullied), and the finest cavalry in the world (the dothraki), and the only air force in the world.
Yeah but with the Unsullied at Casterly Rock with no way to get back to Dragonstone and the Dothraki sitting on Dragonstone with no way across, they're pretty much useless. So Dany is gonna have to go Mad Queen on somebody. Her infantry and cavalry are for all intents and purposes out of the fight at the moment.
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