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re: GoT S6: E10 "The Winds of Winter" BOOK READERS
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:49 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:49 pm to Ace Midnight
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What was going on inside Winterfell during the siege then? The washerwomen only took credit for a couple of those and why would they lie, at that point, to Theon?
So, it almost certainly is Manderly's folks inside the walls.
Apparently the show has either totally deviated or it is a lot of smoke, mirrors and bullshite on the part of Martin as a misdirection. But to say it's
"nothing" implies you didn't read those chapters.
Clearly their are people still loyal to the Starks and are acting on it.
I am talking about how fans assumed that the GNC would dictate how the North would be decided and can't let it go. Like some cloak and dagger plan was there all along.
This was not in the books.
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Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:53 pm to saintsfan92612
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Also the Umbers were hardcore stark loyalists in the books.
That's where it gets complicated. Manderly was pissed because of the Red Wedding. He patiently waited (he is the Doran Martell or Ilyrio Mapatis figure of the north, it seems, large, contemplative, patient, slow moving) until he got his folks and bones back. Then, and only then, did he make adverse moves against the Lannisters and their Northern lickspittles, the Boltons.
The Umbers were in worse shape - their lord, the Greatjon, was a hostage. And even with that collateral, they were split - in the books, anyway. The Karstarks were known double agents, although it is unclear at the conclusion of the novels if Stannis is aware of their intention to turn cloak once they join his army.
The Umbers being all in for Ramsay (not even Roose)is the most jarring departure from the novel thus far, other than the complete omissions (and, of course, the abortion that is the television version of Dorne).
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:53 pm to drjett
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So, what's Lyanna's "promise me Ned." all about?
Only the fat man knows. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:56 pm to Mystery
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I am talking about how fans assumed that the GNC would dictate how the North would be decided and can't let it go.
So much of the storytelling is truncated and warped, it should be easy to let go at this point. Again, Dorne should have conditioned us for disappointment at times.
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This was not in the books.
Well, we don't know how it works out yet in the books, do we? I mean, what if the Manderly turn IS key and there are no LF/Knights of the Vale riding north to save them? That would be a demonstrably different story than what we saw, correct?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:59 pm to dtmb
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Walder Frey might kill Edmure since he's useless
Blackfish knew he was dead either way
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:00 pm to Ace Midnight
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Well, we don't know how it works out yet in the books, do we? I mean, what if the Manderly turn IS key and there are no LF/Knights of the Vale riding north to save them? That would be a demonstrably different story than what we saw, correct?
Of course. But to my original point, the LSH actually was in the books and the GNC was not. (at least not to the extent that people act like it was) Of course that could change if he writes it that way.
All I was saying is I get why people can't let go of her when they couldn't let go of a to this point theory.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:03 pm to Mystery
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But to my original point, the LSH actually was in the books and the GNC was not. (at least not to the extent that people act like it was) Of course that could change if he writes it that way.
I agree that in the published novels, the actual LSH Brotherhood band (her replacing Dondarrion and making it an instrument of Stark vengeance, rather than a haphazard form of R'hllor justice) being missing is a bigger departure than a complete failure of the GNC to materialize, which was really only heavily implied through the end of ADWD.
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All I was saying is I get why people can't let go of her when they couldn't let go of a to this point theory.
The further we get from parallel, folks who tread both paths have to pick a side. I pick the novels and treat the tv series as excellent fan fiction, for lack of a better term. It is what it is.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:07 pm to Ace Midnight
We know it has to be different in the books. Sansa is still chilling in The Vale as Alayne Stone, pending an arrangement to marry Harry the Heir in an elaborate plot to make her Lady of the Vale and give the Lord of the Vale a reason to take over her ancestral home.
No way all that happens for the Vale army to reach Winterfell just as Ned's bastard is storming the walls. GNC could very well be alive in the books. Especially with Manderly's recent outbursts.
No way all that happens for the Vale army to reach Winterfell just as Ned's bastard is storming the walls. GNC could very well be alive in the books. Especially with Manderly's recent outbursts.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:08 pm to Ace Midnight
Hear, hear.
The show is what's called an adaptation.
What's alien about this situation is the incomplete source material. People can't make judgments about what is/isn't going to happen in the books based on what D&D did with what they had.
And those who insist on thinking GRRM gave D&D EVERYTHING are on crack. He gave them broadstrokes only. He has already admitted to a MASSIVE re-write of WoW between seasons 3 and 6. Info he gave them prior to season 1 may have been 86ed completely by now.
Who knows?
The show is what's called an adaptation.
What's alien about this situation is the incomplete source material. People can't make judgments about what is/isn't going to happen in the books based on what D&D did with what they had.
And those who insist on thinking GRRM gave D&D EVERYTHING are on crack. He gave them broadstrokes only. He has already admitted to a MASSIVE re-write of WoW between seasons 3 and 6. Info he gave them prior to season 1 may have been 86ed completely by now.
Who knows?
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:13 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:14 pm to 19
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What's alien about this situation is the incomplete source material. People can't make judgments about what is/isn't going to happen in the books based on what D&D did with what they had.
All of what you guys are saying I agree with for what that is worth.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:25 pm to Longclaw02
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You even post like Lucas P.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:48 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:The books will be radically different from the show. It's the only way GRRM can sell them now.
Well, we don't know how it works out yet in the books, do we? I mean, what if the Manderly turn IS key and there are no LF/Knights of the Vale riding north to save them? That would be a demonstrably different story than what we saw, correct?
Manderly sends Davos to Skagos the fetch "his lord." There's no way he just gets revenge on the Freys and doesn't do anything to the Boltons.
I think the GNC is still on in the books. It would have been too complicated for the show.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:58 pm to blueboy
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Davos to Skagos the fetch "his lord."
I actually can't wait to read about that trip. Skagos is supposed to be a crazy place. Don't they eat people there?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:04 pm to 19
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And those who insist on thinking GRRM gave D&D EVERYTHING
Can't disagree here. If he was able to give them everything, why not just write it all down and publish it?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:09 pm to ohiovol
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just write it all down and publish it?
My current prediction is that we will get TWoW after the TV show concludes in 2018. ADoS will be nothing but fan fiction as GRRM will expire before it is completed.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:41 pm to TigerFanatic99
Doesn't seem to be anything particularly new in the photos HBO released for E-10 today.
But here they are in case anyone wants to see them:
HBO S6-E-10 photos
But here they are in case anyone wants to see them:
HBO S6-E-10 photos
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:50 pm to dawgfan24348
Season 7 better fricking have 10 episodes and 8 too
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:51 pm to Methuselah
Someone refresh my memory. How do the Maesters in Oldtown know when the seasons are changing/send out the white ravens? There is no Maester in the North anymore to let them know when Winter is coming.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:55 pm to CootKilla
So Jaime really does go to the twins.
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