re: GOT 2.8 Thread "The Prince of Winterfell" (Literates only)

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As unique and interesting of a character as vargo is I will be extremely disappointed if he doesn't make it

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Seems like vargo would have to make an appearance. Who else will chop off jamie's hand?

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They've already passed over a big part of Vargo's story with Arya escaping because Gregor is put in charge. The whole Arya as Tywin's cup bearer removed the need for weasel soup and means we wont see roose in harrenhall which means no vargo.

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They've already passed over a big part of Vargo's story with Arya escaping because Gregor is put in charge. The whole Arya as Tywin's cup bearer removed the need for weasel soup and means we wont see roose in harrenhall which means no vargo.

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Jamie probably hasn't seen Oberyn since before the war I don't think, the Viper mentions that the last time he saw Tyrion was right after he was born and Cersei tweaked his pecker. And Tyrion would have been at any of Jamie's tourneys to meet Oberyn. So I doubt Martell would be on his list, even though he could likely hang with anyone in a fight given his extreme badassery.

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Jamie never goes to Harrenhall, ie, doesn't get his hand cut off?

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He may not know of his abilities first hand but I would believe that a career soldier would hear about this badass dude down in dorne that they call the red viper...

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The biggest problem of the stories that seem closest to the novels, it must be said, is Harrenhal—once again, we cannot fault the acting, but… What they’ve done is gutted the narrative of Arya’s character arc, stripped it of her move into becoming increasingly cold-blooded and ruthless, and left something that feels less horrific, less intense, and generally less interesting. Doubtless staging the betrayal of Harrenhal was beyond what the production could handle, but I think they could have stuck themselves to Arya’s story more closely on a thematic level, developing her. Perhaps the intention is to push the bulk of her development into the next seasons, but as it is, what I realize at the end of all this is… what has Arya’s story been for? She isn’t a different person now than she was at episode four, she hasn’t learned or developed since witnessing the initial horrors of torture and the death of Yoren. Charles Dance has been appealing as Tywin Lannister, and his scenes with Maisie Williams were always good, but perhaps too much of a good thing has misled the writers from making Harrenhal too much about him, and too little about Arya, one of the central characters in the novels, and the series.

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The utterly new material is… more complicated to like. Robb and Talisa features two very appealing, good-looking actors doing their best with material that, ultimately, feels like a cliché through and through. At the least the fact that they went and returned from the Crag without incident, and Talisa gives such a detailed story (although one that, unless I’m mistaken, places her as being quite a few years older than the show’s Robb—a curious decision, I thought), that it seems we can put to rest any lingering notions that she’s “really” Jeyne Westerling, or even that she’s a Lannister spy. He relationship seems genuine.

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