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Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:14 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I remember when film makers tried to make movies people liked...aw, those were the days.
There does seem to be an undercurrent to recent movies of "lets make a movie that will, really, really, piss off our fans!"
We could power the entire country if we could hook up a dynamo to Samuel Goldwyn spinning in his grave.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:47 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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At 7 in 1977 I fully understood what The Force was after this 15 seconds of movie. If it had been something else, Obi Wan would have told Luke right then when he asked.
There was just no reason to retrofit it at all. Lucas had allowed Obi Wan to beautifully explain it, only to then go back and make it unnecessarily convoluted.
that didn't explain anything. So the force is everywhere. ok. How come only a few people in the universe can use it? What makes the few people who can control it, be able to control it?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:04 pm to Sneaky__Sally
He broke the rule of soft sci fi and fantasy.
The explanation of the Force by Obi wan and it's use through the movies novels comics and games worked well just being the medium of the Universe that was all is all.
It also explained without needing to explain why some people didn't see it as something beyond a religion.
Without Jedi going around everywhere performing miracles it slipped off into fairy tales.
The Rebellion kept the belief alive as they were the good guys. The Force is on our side. Even if we aren't Jedi. May the Force be with you. It was a battlecry, reassurance, and harkened back to the warriors who used to protect the Republic all in one.
The explanation of the Force by Obi wan and it's use through the movies novels comics and games worked well just being the medium of the Universe that was all is all.
It also explained without needing to explain why some people didn't see it as something beyond a religion.
Without Jedi going around everywhere performing miracles it slipped off into fairy tales.
The Rebellion kept the belief alive as they were the good guys. The Force is on our side. Even if we aren't Jedi. May the Force be with you. It was a battlecry, reassurance, and harkened back to the warriors who used to protect the Republic all in one.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:11 pm to TeddyPadillac
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that didn't explain anything. So the force is everywhere. ok. How come only a few people in the universe can use it? What makes the few people who can control it, be able to control it?
Actually, I think the force was best when it was mysterious and not explained in detail.
A lot of movies screw this up. Not everything has to be laid out and obvious. The force in the original trilogy was a mysterious unifying force. It had a dark and light side and you could move stuff around and shoot lightning with it. That was fine.
Then Lucas tried to get all scientific about it for no reason. He stuck in midichlorians and made a cool mysterious thing sort of boring and mundane. Movies usually benefit from a little mystery.
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 4:45 pm to Parmen
3 hours of chewbacca farts would have been better than tlj
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:41 pm to LSUFreek
quote:I don't think that was the implication or suggestion
suggesting anyone could wield it with some training,
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:50 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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At 7 in 1977 I fully understood what The Force was after this 15 seconds of movie.
What a great observation. The mystery of the Force as explained by Kenobi and Yoda was a cornerstone of the old films and was infinitely more endearing than microorganisms speaking to each other and affecting inanimate objects.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:33 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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If everyone could become super powerful with the force it would make it a very, very different looking series with lots of force users.
That's not necessarily true. In real life anyone can become a Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris type badass but not everyone has the discipline to achieve it.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:34 pm to Rep520
quote:No, what he did was worse than trying to get "scientific"; he tried to get pop-culture scientific.
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that didn't explain anything. So the force is everywhere. ok. How come only a few people in the universe can use it? What makes the few people who can control it, be able to control it?
Actually, I think the force was best when it was mysterious and not explained in detail.
A lot of movies screw this up. Not everything has to be laid out and obvious. The force in the original trilogy was a mysterious unifying force. It had a dark and light side and you could move stuff around and shoot lightning with it. That was fine.
Then Lucas tried to get all scientific about it for no reason
Science... science can explain how you can Skype or Facetime with someone across the world using a couple of cellphones connected to wifi.
Try to explain an iPhone to, say, Plato or Aristotle. Those were great minds of the ancient world, and they would see the benefits. Instant communication, access to practically all known knowledge via a device smaller than a scroll. But they wouldn't understand the concept of wifi; they wouldn't even understand what all the materials (plastics) that iPhone is made of. Hell, it sure sounds like a crystal ball from a fantasy wizard, even as late as the mid-20th century.
Now apply that same knowledge gap to the Force, and multiply it exponentially, even taking into consideration that the people of Star Wars are scientifically advanced enough to travel many lightyears in hours. That was the sense of wonderment I got out of it...
The Force can be considered completely scientific, and still so far beyond current knowledge as to be magical. The Jedi and Sith just knew how to access that galactic "wifi", perhaps through sheer luck of discovery and without full understanding of it.
It's a beautiful and forward-looking concept, hugely cheapened by suggesting that something as mundane as a collection of microbes was responsible for it. I'd rather it be left a mystery, so that people could speculate on it- and perhaps some brilliant lunatic could somehow tap into it (or an equivalent) for real.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 3:28 am to ZappBrannigan
What rule of sci fi/fantasy did he break? Lots of all time great stories explain how the magic system works.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 5:24 am to Rep520
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Actually, I think the force was best when it was mysterious and not explained in detail.
A lot of movies screw this up. Not everything has to be laid out and obvious. The force in the original trilogy was a mysterious unifying force. It had a dark and light side and you could move stuff around and shoot lightning with it. That was fine.
Then Lucas tried to get all scientific about it for no reason. He stuck in midichlorians and made a cool mysterious thing sort of boring and mundane. Movies usually benefit from a little mystery.
100% agree.
When I watched the OT as a kid, I never once thought "I'd really like to learn more about what the Force is in greater detail." I had a framework via Obi Wan's interactions with Luke, with some additional color via the scene with Vader, Tarkin and the officers on the Death Star.
I saw a Obi-Wan mind control storm troopers and go from hobbled old man to badass and chop a guy's arm off in the cantina, and I saw Vader choke a guy from several feet away. I didn't really need or want any deeper explanation.
It's like my 6 year old using the iPad. He doesn't know why or how it works or what makes it work, he just knows he can watch movies and facetime with his grandparents on it and thinks it's cool.
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Posted on 6/14/18 at 6:57 am to Parmen
Insert command needs to be outside the brackets to work.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 7:00 am to Merck
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That's not necessarily true. In real life anyone can become a Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris type badass but not everyone has the discipline to achieve it.
no. some people are born with the physical and athletic ability to reach Bruce Lee status, the vast majority are not.
I never questioned things about the force in the OT, but at time there were only 5 force users in those movies in the universe. The prequels showed us that there were tons of force users. The question as to why some people can use the force and others can't is a valid question, and midiclorians attempted to answer that, and that answer didn't bother me. some people are simply born with more than others, simple as that.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 7:05 am to TeddyPadillac
And it isnt saying that midichloirens are creating the force, they are just another organism which lives inside the cells of all life allowing then to hear and feel it.
The clone wars and rebels cartoons have some really cool episodes which delve deeper into the nature and mythology of the force.
The clone wars and rebels cartoons have some really cool episodes which delve deeper into the nature and mythology of the force.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 7:36 am to Master of Sinanju
That's the perfect gif for George Lucas.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 7:55 am to Scoob
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he Force can be considered completely scientific, and still so far beyond current knowledge as to be magical. The Jedi and Sith just knew how to access that galactic "wifi", perhaps through sheer luck of discovery and without full understanding of it.
It's a beautiful and forward-looking concept, hugely cheapened by suggesting that something as mundane as a collection of microbes was responsible for it. I'd rather it be left a mystery, so that people could speculate on it- and perhaps some brilliant lunatic could somehow tap into it (or an equivalent) for real.
Yeah...but would you even think of the Force in those terms if George hadn't introduced the midichlorians?
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:57 am to Yellerhammer5
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Somewhere Rian Johnson is smiling and drinking a big glass of that blue titty milk.
Not gonna lie, this made me giggle
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:17 am to RLDSC FAN
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"were going to get into a microbiotic world. But there’s this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force."
I'm confused, so would this be like a Star Wars version of Osmosis Jones?
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