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Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:56 am to Sneaky__Sally
If you're soft sci-fi and fantasy, Star Wars is both.
You say it and run with it. Old Obi makes tells you all you need to know. The first movie gives you the anger and terror vs compassion and self sacrifice sides of the dark and light. Throwing in space bacteria after a couple decades was dumb. Keep it mystic.
Harder sci-fi like Larry Niven's Ringworld while including FTL has mostly explanable tech that could make sense.
You say it and run with it. Old Obi makes tells you all you need to know. The first movie gives you the anger and terror vs compassion and self sacrifice sides of the dark and light. Throwing in space bacteria after a couple decades was dumb. Keep it mystic.
Harder sci-fi like Larry Niven's Ringworld while including FTL has mostly explanable tech that could make sense.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 11:24 am to Sneaky__Sally
Why not have the emperor just clone Darth Vader and amass an army of dark force users?
I mean if the force is chalked up to a biological process......
I mean if the force is chalked up to a biological process......
Posted on 6/14/18 at 7:43 pm to LSUFreek
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Then Lucas changed all that with force-sensitive people, then finally adding stupid midichlorian counts as if it was genetic and measurable.
Yes, but everyone still has them. Some just had more.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 7:55 pm to AshLSU
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but everyone still has them. Some just had more.
That's stupid. The force is no longer something you have to practice and dedicate yourself to in order to become a master. You just have to win the genetic lottery or you're fricked.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 7:57 pm to Sasquatch Smash
quote:Yeah, actually. The OT was otherwise science-based, not a medieval fantasy. So there was some "how does it work" aspect to it.
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he Force can be considered completely scientific, and still so far beyond current knowledge as to be magical. The Jedi and Sith just knew how to access that galactic "wifi", perhaps through sheer luck of discovery and without full understanding of it.
It's a beautiful and forward-looking concept, hugely cheapened by suggesting that something as mundane as a collection of microbes was responsible for it. I'd rather it be left a mystery, so that people could speculate on it- and perhaps some brilliant lunatic could somehow tap into it (or an equivalent) for real.
Yeah...but would you even think of the Force in those terms if George hadn't introduced the midichlorians?
Again, take someone from two thousand years ago and present electromagnetism to them- it's "magical" what can be done with it.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
A movie about a 9 year old Gungan discovering midocholorians couldn't be much worse than TLJ.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:44 pm to JabarkusRussell
What annoyed my friend & I about the midocholorians wasn't the scientific angle, but Lucas' delusional intention of re-telling the Immaculate Conception in a freaking escapism movie....to my friend and I, the midochlorians was just a throwaway cop-out afterthought of an explanation...
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:56 pm to Breesus
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That's stupid. The force is no longer something you have to practice and dedicate yourself to in order to become a master. You just have to win the genetic lottery or you're fricked.
Not really. Everyone could use it and could train to be able to use it better. Some where just “naturally gifted” in it and could become more powerful with it.
Even in A New Hope it was never portrayed as something just anyone could train and learn.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:28 pm to AshLSU
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Even in A New Hope it was never portrayed as something just anyone could train and learn.
Really? I must've missed that part of the movie. I don't remember Obi-Wan telling Luke he had a bunch of tiny organisms in his body and that why he could use the force.
I don't remember Yoda in Empire talking about Luke's midiclorian count. I remember him saying some great philosophical lines such as do or do not. There is no try. Or that is why you fail. Or always with what cannot be done.
I remember Yoda telling Luke he needs to concentrate and unlearn what he had learned. Not that he needs to tap into his midiclorian count that's high because his father's was.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 2:42 am to Breesus
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Really? I must've missed that part of the movie. I don't remember Obi-Wan telling Luke he had a bunch of tiny organisms in his body and that why he could use the force. I don't remember Yoda in Empire talking about Luke's midiclorian count. I remember him saying some great philosophical lines such as do or do not. There is no try. Or that is why you fail. Or always with what cannot be done. I remember Yoda telling Luke he needs to concentrate and unlearn what he had learned. Not that he needs to tap into his midiclorian count that's high because his father's was.
So if anyone could learn it, why the frick were there not thousands of Jedi and Sith?
It doesn’t explicitly say one way or another but it does leave you with the idea that some people have an affinity for it and others don’t. It’s not like Obi Wan and Yoda didn’t know who Luke was.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 2:49 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 4:20 am to AshLSU
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So if anyone could learn it, why the frick were there not thousands of Jedi and Sith?
There are plenty of talents in the real world today that anyone can master but few actually do. Because mastering a talent and fighting for it is hard. And it takes time. And most people are too lazy or too easily swayed.
It takes a great amount of practice and dedication and teaching and sacrifice. These are things that most people won't do. And doing them is what made Luke a great character. It's what makes many classic hero tale protagonists great characters. That's the lesson within the story. Hard work and dedication. Not hitting the genetic lottery.
Also, there had been a war where most of them died and the empire took over and made a point to hunt down and kill Jedi while wiping knowledge of the force out of the public consciousness.
Obi-Wan:
young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the Jedi are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 4:22 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 5:57 am to McChowder
In not talking about the whills or whatever - but I dont think midichloriens are the cause of the force, they are just a symbiotic organism that lives in all living cells and act as a conduit.at least that is how I understood it.
Unless you can clone those it wouldn't matter. Its still a mystic force, midichloiren are just abother force sensitive organism
Unless you can clone those it wouldn't matter. Its still a mystic force, midichloiren are just abother force sensitive organism
Posted on 6/15/18 at 6:00 am to vandelay industries
The delivery was horrible (like almost everything in the prequels), but I do like the idea if the force spawning a balance to the growing evil.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 6:04 am to Breesus
That is really just your interpretation though. Athletic Stars both won the genetic lottery and had to train and work their asses off - midichloriens dont negate how the whole story progressed or change the universe in material fashion from the OT.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:12 am to AshLSU
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So if anyone could learn it, why the frick were there not thousands of Jedi and Sith?
There were. 10,000 Jedi prior to Order 66, and that's just those associated with the Jedi Order.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:18 am to Sneaky__Sally
It's more than horrible delivery. It's horrible storytelling and it's completely contradictory. There's no reason for the two completely different explanations with Obi-Wan involved.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:30 am to Argonaut
Yall still haven't explained exactly how the two are mutually exclusive - they don't say that that midichloriens generates the force and they also say that they are in all living cells.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:32 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Yall still haven't explained exactly how the two are mutually exclusive
I didn't make that point. It doesn't need to be impossible for it to be stupid.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:34 am to Argonaut
Ok, that's fine. For me its just a very minor thing and would be incredibly far down on the list of nitpicking points or shite they did wrong in star wars.
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