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re: Game of Thrones S8 E5 "The Long Melt." Official Thread

Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:30 pm to
Posted by OceanMan
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:30 pm to
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Jamie escaping just bc he was unchained was pretty stupid. And there are some things that I havent read about on here that im sure ill go "o yea that was pretty dumb,"


The whole pirate swimming up to a secret cove just in time to challenge a guy he’s got an axe to grind with scene was ridiculous
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:46 pm to
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The whole pirate swimming up to a secret cove just in time to challenge a guy he’s got an axe to grind with scene was ridiculous

Dumbest scene in the show IMO
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:47 pm to
The show fricked up Euron so bad, dude is legit in the books
Posted by Nonetheless
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:03 pm to
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:18 pm to
Truth is, I always figured KL would get destroyed, I just figured from early on it would be the White Walkers and a combined army would save the day.

Looking back and thinking about it, the clues were there. Burning the Tarlys last year and showing the reactions of her advisors was the tipoff.


There is one solution that she won't accept. Something the Romans used to do. She could adopt Jon and name him her son, then announce the truth. Brings him in fold, keeps her respect, and then settles the whole claim to the throne thing.
Posted by PHS
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:22 pm to
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Can someone explain to me whether Bran sees the future or not?

I doubt he's able to read it like a book, but he can catch glimpses of it at least. He saw Dany flying over KL here and here.

Back in the 3rd season, Jojen implicitly confirmed that those with "the sight," like he and Bran, can see things in the future.

Don't know what the books have to say.
Posted by Chuker
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:16 pm to
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KL would get destroyed, I just figured from early on it would be the White Walkers



I'm a bit disappointed that Winter never came to KL
Posted by SEClint
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:33 pm to
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I'm a bit disappointed that Winter never came to KL


May as well have, let's save humanity and give our lives so this teenage idiot can use her dragon to destroy it.

When drogon is taken from her, they're going to have a hell of a time rehabilitating him for a new forever home.
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 12:29 am to
I think They’ve rushed a lot but this isn’t that rushed. They worked on this pretty much all episode and You sorta saw the possibility for this with Dany all along
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:06 am to
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I'm a bit disappointed that Winter never came to KL



May as well have, let's save humanity and give our lives so this teenage idiot can use her dragon to destroy it.

Wrong on several counts;

Dany has to be well into her 20's at least, approaching 30. Remember we're following them literally years.

And the threat of Dany is not the same level as the Night King. She's had a brutal, mildly genocidal sack of King's Landing, but I figure well over 50% of the population survived. She may kill more off, especially if she continues to rule, but there will also be a birthrate.
In other words, she's terrible, but well within historical context.

Night King was an extinction level event. Zero survival rate, with the vast majority of his victims now becoming part of his army.
In fact, we might have clamored to see him take King's Landing instead of hitting Winterfell first, but that scenario ends with an overall defeat. Assuming the 1 million figure they toss around, and assuming 90%+ can walk once reanimated (young children were part of his army and old folk would be as effective as any other corpse), that big of an upgrade to his forces would be unstoppable. It already was for a practical purpose against Winterfell, but you're talking more than double, plus whatever lay in the route down to KL.
But you can still kill the Night King... sure you can, but you need a way to get to him. If he ignored Bran and Winterfell in favor of KL, odds are the ambush trap isn't effective later. It would mean he's patient enough to stand back and wait for his armies to do the work, and he wouldn't expose himself needlessly. Afterall, Bran's a dude in a wheelchair, he won't be outrunning anyone.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:28 am to
Shes not approaching her fricking 30s. She was 16 at the most when she was given to Drogo, and about 6 or 7 years has passed.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:53 am to
Show Dany is older than book Dany, and either way she's not a teen anymore.

And she's ruled a city and the Dothraki already, and is the same age as Jon. So she's not just some modern teen chick, people did things younger in this setting. Davos might be in his 50's or so, "old" by those standards but a good 20 years younger than a lot of our national politicians.

And either way, the point remains that that a tyrant is still far preferable to extinction. You recover from tyrants and madmen. Might take a generation or so afterwards, but you recover. The Night King turns the world into Antarctica, there's no coming back for that. No little people to worry about.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:20 am to
Book Dany was 13 when she was with Drogo, and she just proved she is immature and unfit to lead no matter everything she has done, it was all bullshite.

Shes just another insecure girl that needs admiration.

This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 2:25 am
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:50 am to
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Book Dany was 13 when she was with Drogo, and she just proved she is immature and unfit to lead no matter everything she has done, it was all bullshite.

Shes just another insecure girl that needs admiration.
Good, don't care. Still way better than Night King and extinction. Cersei was too.

Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:05 am to
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Good, don't care. Still way better than Night King and extinction. Cersei was too.


I'm convinced that people who still like this season are NPCs.

Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:32 am to
I have a question but don’t want to start a new thread. I went down an Alt shift X rabbit hole tonight and watched a bunch of videos ( I haven’t read the books). Are Howland Reed and the Crannogmen basically Cajuns? They call them mud people and they eat frogs and basically live in a swamp and are short. Thought it was kind of odd that Reed was basically a choot em Clint kind of guy.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:49 am to
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I'm convinced that people who still like this season are NPCs.
well, quit watching, and let the ongoing discussion go. I mean, if you hate this that much, just move on? Seems the reasonable thing to do.

Otherwise, there's precisely 1 episode left, wrapping up what has been a great series. It's not going the direction I would have picked myself, but I'm going to see how it all plays out.

One thing I legit don't get, is that the producers seemed to say the ending would be bittersweet, which I'm failing to see happening. I don't think anyone WANTED a true psychopath Dany, which we're seemingly getting. Jon or someone having to kill her off and then claim the throne, or to allow Westeros to balkanize, that doesn't seem to have any real appeal at all. Unless the "sweet" moment is the battle for Winterfell, and the rest is bitter.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:03 am to
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She's been executing every person who didn't submit to her.


The folks of kings landing damn sure would have submitted to her after the dragon display, which is why destroyed the whole city made no sense.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:57 am to
Well she’s a crazy person so it’s not supposed to make sense. She snapped. That’s it.
Posted by 615tider
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 6:27 am to
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The folks of kings landing damn sure would have submitted to her after the dragon display, which is why destroyed the whole city made no sense.


True dat.

I'm actually curious to see if she even offers an explanation to Jon or if she just tells him to deal with it.
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