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re: Game of Thrones S8 E3 "The Long Night." Official Thread
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:46 am to 1BamaRTR
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:46 am to 1BamaRTR
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Like I said above Cersei and Euron’s shitty arse aren’t as compelling or fearsome final villains.
Cersei has been the primary antagonist for nearly the entire series. If you don’t find her compelling as a villain, why the frick are you even watching?
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:47 am to Ollieoxenfree99
So quickly gathering another army to fight another battle? Not much political drama involved there. Just straight up charging into another fight this time with no impeding doom. Once again how is that as interesting as a battle with the WW and the dead?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:47 am to Dam Guide
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So what you are saying is Arya didn't kill anyone important, just some random side story dude that didn't much matter to the show.
I'm not sure what he's saying, but that's not at all what I'm saying. NK is probably the second most important character, IMO, besides Jon. I'm not trying to downplay it at all, just that it's 1B, not 1A.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:48 am to Duke
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Political intrigue hasn't mattered for a couple of seasons.
Jesus Christ
I’m out
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:49 am to slackster
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And yet, the show runners still have 3 episodes to go. Sounds like you were fooled.
Or with context of GRRMs quotes about the scouring of the shire the NK was the big bad
and our heroes are now in the falling action getting rid of the evil usurper to reclaim their rightful territory. Maybe you were fooled thinking they were an ancillary threat
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:51 am to slackster
Let’s be honest, the NK was just a plot device to pull together storylines and to weaken Dany’s forces. With three dragons, unsullied, and Dothraki, she would have demolished Cersei and easily taken the throne.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:51 am to Roger Klarvin
The main character is Ned Stark. It’s Ned who could have been king but declined creating the mess with Robert and the Lannisters, It’s Ned who protects the true king, Jon Snow. It’s Ned’s two kids, Bran and Arya who can kill the Night King. It’s Ned’s death that starts the war and despite dying in the first book, Ned Stark is consistently mentioned throughout and all the way to the end. Ned’s character is the important one and affects the story more any other.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:51 am to slackster
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And yet, the show runners still have 3 episodes to go. Sounds like you were fooled.
Sounds like the show runners aren't good writers.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:52 am to Roger Klarvin
I said not as compelling final villains. Again there’s not as much tension or doom. Nor is there going to be any or least not much of the political / manipulating parts that made Cersei a good villain. It’s just going to be a straight up fight of some kind.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:52 am to Roger Klarvin
Cersei has been nearly irrelevant for Danny until a season or so ago. She especially hasn’t been the threat for the whole series Tywin was much more in power than she was for the first 4 *maybe”.
The army of the dead has been impending doom to the realms of man since ep1
The army of the dead has been impending doom to the realms of man since ep1
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:53 am to Roger Klarvin
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Jesus Christ
I’m out
Disagree with my description, fine.
Saying the show runners believe it to be a political drama first? Fine, that probably true at this point.
The story as initially shown, by the show and books, was always leading to the white walkers being the primary antagonist. To argue otherwise means you weren't paying attention.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:53 am to St Augustine
quote:Well, look at the fight some more, and piece it together- they are skilled fighters, they are armored, they carry instant-kill weapons, and these zombies aren't contagious biters like other zombies.quote:
Those who survived for the most part knew how to fight and ended 1-on-1's quick, and got to high ground or got a wall behind their backs. They would have eventually tired and fell.
Problem is the show panned to them multiple times being damn near completely overrun. Then conveniently cut away and they were fine again.
You pile 5-6 zombies on, say, Brienne in armor, they are pushing you down, whacking and stabbing pretty blindly at your armor, and you are in deep shite- but you keep your arm free and keep poking them and you can come out the other side. Scratched up, sliced and likely some holes in you, that you have to deal with later.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:54 am to Roger Klarvin
Yeah, I seriously don't grasp how people can't see that GoT has always primarily been a political drama and that's what made the White Walkers and the Undead such a compelling subplot in this world.
You have all these different factions fighting amongst themselves for various political reasons and the idea was that they were so consumed with their politics that they'd all be wiped out.
Both story lines work very well together.
Did anybody seriously think the Night King would ultimately win? He's dead, and the politics of Westeros continue.
You have all these different factions fighting amongst themselves for various political reasons and the idea was that they were so consumed with their politics that they'd all be wiped out.
Both story lines work very well together.
Did anybody seriously think the Night King would ultimately win? He's dead, and the politics of Westeros continue.
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 12:57 am
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:55 am to Scoob
The zombies also had weapons which they were defeating basic soldiers pretty easily with. These mindless zombies defeated the dothraki in 1 minute.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:56 am to Duke
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You know why the wall was so epic when you first saw it? Because it was to protect against the real big bad. It tells the viewer, hey this political drama means nothing when concerning whatever the wall is meant to stop.
It means you need to deal with this or thr other stuff doesn't matter, but once it's done, we can get back to the main point of the show.
There is roughly 4.5 hours of show post NK for a reason.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:56 am to slackster
I’m just disappointed we left knowing absolutely nothing about the NK. It’s been building up for 7 seasons and we know like one thing about him. We don’t even know who he is exactly. We saw a scene of the children of the forest making a white walker but was that the NK?
Asleep for thousands of years, wakes up and says “frick it I’m going kill them all” spends 7 seasons walking to the wall, and dies in his first battle south of the wall. With all of his badass white walkers just standing there watching
Asleep for thousands of years, wakes up and says “frick it I’m going kill them all” spends 7 seasons walking to the wall, and dies in his first battle south of the wall. With all of his badass white walkers just standing there watching
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:59 am to slackster
quote:probably gonna waste an hour on the clegane bowl.
There is roughly 4.5 hours of show post NK for a reason.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:59 am to Not Cooper
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We saw a scene of the children of the forest making a white walker but was that the NK?
They confirmed that was him post credits. Arya stabbed him where he was stabbed to turn into the NK.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:00 am to slackster
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There is roughly 4.5 hours of show post NK for a reason.
Yes. Correct... because the show runners are poor writers.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:00 am to PEPE
There’s not going to be much political drama for the next 3 episodes since there’s only 3. All they have left to do is fight it out somehow whether it be another army and/or just killing Cersei and Euron. Politics and betrayal with Cersei is interesting. Straight up fighting her and her army isn’t as interesting or as tension building as a battle with the dead.
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