re: Game of Thrones S8 E3 "The Long Night." Official Thread

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There is roughly 4.5 hours of show post NK for a reason

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Bad writing.

Ok, that's kind of harsh. You could go that route as a falling action but the value of this battle has been set up in numerous ways since the start of the series, like the first fricking scene of the series. D&D apparently figured out this was actually the end game but not having the victory over the army of the dead be the climax of the story would be a mistake.

There's been far too much foreshadowing. Too much pointing how how the petty politics and political wars are folly vs the zombie death horde threat.

If it is really just about the throne, the show runners didn't understand the story they are telling now.

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Questions need to be answered. And, based upon how HBO has been ending a lot of their major series (Sopranos, True Detective, Westworld) we might now get them.

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wait, you have seen the end of westworld?

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There’s not going to be much political drama for the next 3 episodes since there’s only 3. All they have left to do is fight it out somehow whether it be another army and/or just killing Cersei and Euron. Politics and betrayal with Cersei is interesting. Straight up fighting her and her army isn’t as interesting or as tension building as a battle with the dead.

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I don't want a ribbon tied around it ending though. That's not how things actually work.

When the Allies won WW2 history didn't stop.

Whatever happens in the next 3 episodes, they better at least imply that more stife ison the horizon, even if way in the future.

Westeros works better as a living, breathing world.

Bringing every single character and storyline to a definitive "THE END" conclusion would be corny AF.

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There's been far too much foreshadowing. Too much pointing how how the petty politics and political wars are folly vs the zombie death horde threat.

If it is really just about the throne, the show runners didn't understand the story they are telling now.

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I'm not even sure what we're arguing. I'm saying this had to be dealt with, understandably so, before the throne would ultimately matter. Threat is now gone so they can go after the throne.

I would also be very surprised if the book ends on the NK too.

Exactly. Like I’m supposed to just accept that there’s a dude casually sleeping beyond the wall snoozing an alarm that says “Destroy Humanity” and randomly decided now was the time. I’m also supposed to accept that all of the cave markings and body placements were just a little side play to frick with us a little. All of those years of symbolism building this shite up just went out the window with zero explanation.

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The zombies also had weapons which they were defeating basic soldiers pretty easily with

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"Basic soldiers" in Westeros are conscripted peasants and farmers. You had that scene where the guy says "I'm not a soldier" and Davos tells him he is now.

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These mindless zombies defeated the dothraki in 1 minute.

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Like I said earlier, the Dothraki plunged directly into them, and got swallowed up by the much greater numbers. That wasn't skill, that was a kamikazi move.

How many times did Jorah or Beric get hit before going down? Armor does a lot in that type of combat. You don't drop dead if you get stabbed in the torso, especially if it doesn't penetrate deep or hit a vital organ.

Unless you're a wight, and are being stabbed with dragonglass or Valerian steel. Then you drop instantly.

You also don't get infected and turn into a zombie, either.

So, it sure isn't good to have a pile of zombies on top of you cutting at you, but if you keep your head (in more ways than one), and you keep your weapon arm free, you have a decent chance of clearing them off. You might be in rough shape afterwards.

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I'm not even sure what we're arguing.

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Basically is the throne or the WW the primary conflict of the show.

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I'm saying this had to be dealt with, understandably so, before the throne would ultimately matter

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Sure. I have no problem with the placement of this battle, resolution of the WW problem. My gripe is, a hypothetical I admit, that the battle for the throne is the climax of the story being told vs tonight.

If getting the throne ends up being falling action, then not a big deal.

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I would also be very surprised if the book ends on the NK too

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It won't be but it'll be the climax of the whole story.

Now i’m starting to get off the high and digesting it all in, i’m starting to think the episode kinda sucked and my excitement for the rest of the season has sort of dwindled. I hope there’s another twist coming.

ETA: Maybe I shouldn't say suck but I'm extremely underwhelmed. Was shot beautifully though.

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That's honestly what I figured people would be most pissed off about in this episode. The Dothraki have been built up for 7 seasons (longer than the Night King) to be the most ferocious warriors on the planet and they went down faster than the old knights.

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Pretty wild how they could off the entire Dorthaki in such a short amount of time, but not one of them can kill fat arse crybaby Sam literally laying on his back