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re: Game of Thrones S7E1 "Dragonstone" Maester thread, no dummies allowed
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:15 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:15 am to OMLandshark
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Yes it is too convenient and ruins his character. He needs some responsibility for his own madness. Which is why I like my own Crackpot theory more that he, Tywin, and Pycelle burnt down Summerhall to get rid of a good king, a decent heir, and the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. The regret of this and fear that Tywin would do this to him eventually (which he pretty much did at Duskendale and would have if it weren't for Barristan) is what drove him past the breaking point.
That's a pretty crazy theory. I like it.
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:17 am to SabiDojo
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I don't think this makes it better. Worse, actually.
How so? Aegon V wasn't the type of guy to mess around with sorcery. It just seems fishy that would be Dunk and Egg's deaths.
Aerys father on the other hand was very sickly which would have gotten Aerys the throne within the decade and he also needed to remove the heir before Jaehaerys especially before he had any kids of his own.
And Tywin wanted to wipe out the Reynes and Tarbecks, and couldn't have gotten away with that while Aegon was on the throne. He also wanted his friend on the throne to rule Westeros through. The theory stacks up a lot more when you think about it.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 10:23 am
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:19 am to SabiDojo
There's just no reason for the Bran/Mad King Theory. It has been so well established that brothers and sisters having children together risks a crazy child.
Plus the theory makes no sense. There's no way he heard a voice one time and went crazy. Bran would have to constantly be whispering in his ear, seeing the negative effects, and continuing talking to him anyways. And this is after the Hodor incident. Why would he even try at this point?
If anything, it would make more sense if the Three Eyed Raven was responsible, but it's still a bad theory.
Plus the theory makes no sense. There's no way he heard a voice one time and went crazy. Bran would have to constantly be whispering in his ear, seeing the negative effects, and continuing talking to him anyways. And this is after the Hodor incident. Why would he even try at this point?
If anything, it would make more sense if the Three Eyed Raven was responsible, but it's still a bad theory.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:21 am to OMLandshark
I did a rewatch last night and that Ed Sheeran cameo is cheesy as frick. I know they've had other musicians do cameos but they didn't give them entire scenes as the focal point with additional dialogue.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:22 am to ladytiger118
He wasn't the focal point, though. I don't see how having him sing is really different than having Bronn sing. It's a complete non issue for me.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:22 am to blueboy
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This would be one of the biggest derps in the show's history. If that mark works with the wall like it did the TER's cave, Bran should know that.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:23 am to ladytiger118
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I did a rewatch last night and that Ed Sheeran cameo is cheesy as frick. I know they've had other musicians do cameos but they didn't give them entire scenes as the focal point with additional dialogue.
I'm just happy I have no idea who he is.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:24 am to blueboy
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This would be one of the biggest derps in the show's history. If that mark works with the wall like it did the TER's cave, Bran should know that.
I know a lot of people expect this to happen, but it's just too convenient and stupid for it to be totally overlooked by Bran and Meera.
From the start, I've always looked at the situation like the secret keeper in Harry Potter.
I don't think the Nights King has access to Bran everywhere. He reached out and grabbed Bran while they were at the tree. The magic protecting that place no longer works. I think it's that simple.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:25 am to OMLandshark
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I'm just happy I have no idea who he is.
His character seemed perfect believable within the world, so I don't see what the problem is.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:26 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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That's a pretty crazy theory. I like it.
here's a better theory...
he was the product of dozens of generations of incest and his mind and body were abby-normal as a result
which is more likely?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:27 am to cgrand
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he was the product of dozens of generations of incest and his mind and body were abby-normal as a result
Well I'm saying he's that as well. You'd have to be a crazy psychopath at heart to burn your own family members alive.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:28 am to OMLandshark
Y'all talk about the reddit screen cap showing the book Sams reading mention you can cure greyscale by eating dragon glass???
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:32 am to CE Tiger
works even better if you do it inside of a pyramid.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:41 am to ohiovol
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There's just no reason for the Bran/Mad King Theory. It has been so well established that brothers and sisters having children together risks a crazy child.
So why can't the latter make the former more likely?
Y'all are saying it doesn't make sense that Bran whispering in his ear one time made him go crazy but it's more likely that being a product of generations of incest made him crazy. Why can't they both be true?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:42 am to OMLandshark
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How so?
It makes the story pretty anticlimactic imo.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:43 am to OMLandshark
what I'm getting at is at this point in the show, deeper motivations/backstories/historiography arent likely to be addressed other than in passing. If Martin ever finishes the books, he will have plenty of room in the narrative to flesh that stuff out
as much as I'd like it to be otherwise I have a feeling the remainder of this story on the screen is going to be a pretty straightforward battle for survival and redemption
as much as I'd like it to be otherwise I have a feeling the remainder of this story on the screen is going to be a pretty straightforward battle for survival and redemption
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:49 am to ohiovol
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There's just no reason for the Bran/Mad King Theory.
This.
This whole "theory" started because Bran had a vision where the Mad King says "Burn them All" and the the whole "Hold the Door" thing. It's not like Aerys walked around for years only saying burn them all. He did spend years fascinated with burning his enemies (including roasting one in his own armor while his child strangled himself) and stockpiling wildfire all over the city.
Sometimes crazy is just crazy.
For no reason other than, well.....crazy.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:51 am to Saskwatch
quote:Just because the NK has the ability to mark people doesn't mean that every wight and WW has the same ability. I don't think it's comparable.
Cold hands couldn't pass under the wall in the book. I assume he touched Sam or Bran at some point leading them around North of the wall and rescuing them.
As for Arys, he wouldn't have killed the scores of people he killed (like the Starks, etc.) if he was really just afraid of the WW. I think he's like Roman emperors Nero and Caligula. He was driven mad by power and his paranoia that everyone around him was trying to betray him. And like Caligula, he was killed by a member of his own personal guard.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:51 am to OMLandshark
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I'm just happy I have no idea who he is.
Same here. How odd.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:52 am to 50_Tiger
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Or maybe it's too convenient to say Bran fricked up the Mad King due to mind fricking him with visions of the future.
Considering some of the stuff they've had to hand feed to the show-only folks, I can't imagine the mass confusion that would cause.
Plus, they've pretty well already reinforced the "Inbreeding can make you crazy". Look at Joffrey, the multiple mentions of the fear that Dany could end up "mad", how crazy her own brother was, etc. Along with the Mad King wanting to burn all of King's Landing with wildfire. Adding that wrench, especially on the show, at this point makes no sense.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 10:54 am
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