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re: Game of Thrones S7E1 "Dragonstone" Maester thread, no dummies allowed
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:58 am to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:58 am to BluegrassBelle
The show won't do it.... and I don't think the main book series will either since all the characters who would have been involved are dead... but I can see that being the surprise finale of Dunk and Egg.
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:59 am to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:I didnt even really consider this in episode 1. Euron sailed into and out of the bay while Dany was clutching the sand of her ancestral home. Surely some sort of skirmish would have broken out between the two fleets
To sail south they'll have to exit blackwater bay with 1,000 ships. Unless dany's navy is just docked at the port in dragonstone, that would be an impossible task without being spotted
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:01 am to UncleFestersLegs
I think you wrongly assume that those two scenes happened simultaneously
Jamie told Cercei that dragon stone is where they "will" land, not where they have landed. Euron made his trip to KL before Dany made it to dragon stone
Jamie told Cercei that dragon stone is where they "will" land, not where they have landed. Euron made his trip to KL before Dany made it to dragon stone
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:05 am to wildtigercat93
how many of yall still want to frick Cersei?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:06 am to Tic44
Big time
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:52 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Bet you get so much pussy with your vast knowledge of a fantasy world.
Not as much as you'd think, but that just gets your mom more attention.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:55 am to SabiDojo
Something I haven't seen discussed yet, we can assume Jon will be in touch with Dany soon because he needs dragon glass. I have two questions about this. When this meeting occurs will he already know about his true parents through Bran or something in the crypts? My next question would then be how will Dany take the news that Jon is the rightful heir to the throne and not herself?
One of her biggest motivations is that she feels the throne is rightfully hers. Once she finds out about Jon and she realizes this is not true, what will this do to her overall goals and motivations?
One of her biggest motivations is that she feels the throne is rightfully hers. Once she finds out about Jon and she realizes this is not true, what will this do to her overall goals and motivations?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:02 pm to Ham Solo
Well first of all Jon may still be a bastard which would still make Dany the legitimate heir.
And also even if Jon wasn't a bastard (thus the legitimate heir) I don't think Dany would care. She has the larger army and 3 dragons. She's been determined to take Westeros for the last couple of years so I don't think she would back down now.
And also even if Jon wasn't a bastard (thus the legitimate heir) I don't think Dany would care. She has the larger army and 3 dragons. She's been determined to take Westeros for the last couple of years so I don't think she would back down now.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:05 pm to Ham Solo
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When this meeting occurs will he already know about his true parents through Bran or something in the crypts? My next question would then be how will Dany take the news that Jon is the rightful heir to the throne and not herself?
One of her biggest motivations is that she feels the throne is rightfully hers. Once she finds out about Jon and she realizes this is not true, what will this do to her overall goals and motivations?
Two things I completely expect to happen:
1) They meet before he finds out about his lineage. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they don't reveal that until next season either since we'll need more than just Bran as a source to reinforce that. Also they're going to want to establish some kind of relationship (close or possibly romantic) before they drop that bomb.
2) Dany ends up being pretty damn conflicted over her feelings for Jon and where he stands with the throne.
ETA: I also think we get some kind of confirmation that Rhaegar and Lyanna married. Either via Sam in the Citadel or a flashback via Bran.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:05 pm to cgrand
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what I'm getting at is at this point in the show, deeper motivations/backstories/historiography arent likely to be addressed other than in passing. If Martin ever finishes the books, he will have plenty of room in the narrative to flesh that stuff out
as much as I'd like it to be otherwise I have a feeling the remainder of this story on the screen is going to be a pretty straightforward battle for survival and redemption
it does seem to have shifted gears in that regard. I'm not sure if its for the better unless they pull off some impressive work this season.
IMO, to be true to the scale of the battle for humanity with the whitewalkers, they need the majority of the time in next season to due justice to a protracted war, multiple battles, etc.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:10 pm to OMLandshark
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I'm of the opinion that the Mountain goes rogue once the Wall comes down. He'll turn full wight. Then in the final battle, The Hound kills his brother once and for all with a flaming sword.
THere is absolutely nothing to support this.
IMO, the Mountain dies in a blaze of dragon fire defending Cersei in KL from Danny and her host. The rider of that dragon?......... Tyrion.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:10 pm to BluegrassBelle
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When this meeting occurs will he already know about his true parents through Bran or something in the crypts? My next question would then be how will Dany take the news that Jon is the rightful heir to the throne and not herself?
One of her biggest motivations is that she feels the throne is rightfully hers. Once she finds out about Jon and she realizes this is not true, what will this do to her overall goals and motivations?
Two things I completely expect to happen:
1) They meet before he finds out about his lineage. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they don't reveal that until next season either since we'll need more than just Bran as a source to reinforce that. Also they're going to want to establish some kind of relationship (close or possibly romantic) before they drop that bomb.
2) Dany ends up being pretty damn conflicted over her feelings for Jon and where he stands with the throne.
ETA: I also think we get some kind of confirmation that Rhaegar and Lyanna married. Either via Sam in the Citadel or a flashback via Bran.
I don't think Dany will be the one to have to deal with Cersei - from everthing everybody has said, the lannister army is in shambles. I think it would streamline the show if Tyrell's / Martells (i guess Arya maybe) take down Cersei as revenge for her sins somehow. Dany and Jon begin talk and combine forces for the final battle (Jon needs Dragons, Dany needs to have places to hole up for their troops to fight)
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:13 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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. I think it would streamline the show if Tyrell's / Martells (i guess Arya maybe) take down Cersei as revenge for her sins somehow.
I'm firmly in the camp of it needs to be Jaime to take Ceresi down. The show hasn't really pushed that wedge between Jaime and Ceresi yet and while I've been good with most changes on the show, I'll be seriously pissed if they don't flesh out his eventual turn against Ceresi.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:18 pm to BluegrassBelle
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1) They meet before he finds out about his lineage.
things are moving quickly...i expect jon to at least leave for dragonstone next ep. in the previews they are clearly discussing it in council ("cant trust a targaeryn")
before jon even knows his parentage he has to meet back up with bran, who just now got to the wall
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2) Dany ends up being pretty damn conflicted over her feelings for Jon and where he stands with the throne.
maybe so though it seems more likely to me that jon and dany join forces against the walkers and then the story ends
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:22 pm to cgrand
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maybe so though it seems more likely to me that jon and dany join forces against the walkers and then the story ends
It really all depends on what comes first. Do they change their missions to defeating the White Walkers vs. Ceresi before it reaches the point of Dany finding out about his lineage? And even if it does, I'm sure there will be some debate about who takes over after the fight with the WWs are finished.
At the very least she'll likely be conflicted about his relation to her.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:23 pm to BluegrassBelle
What will the North and Vale think of Jon once his parentage is revealed?? In the E2 preview Lord Royce says a Targaryen cannot be trusted.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:27 pm to BluegrassBelle
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. I think it would streamline the show if Tyrell's / Martells (i guess Arya maybe) take down Cersei as revenge for her sins somehow.
I'm firmly in the camp of it needs to be Jaime to take Ceresi down. The show hasn't really pushed that wedge between Jaime and Ceresi yet and while I've been good with most changes on the show, I'll be seriously pissed if they don't flesh out his eventual turn against Ceresi.
I am not a huge fan the way they have brought everyone together finally but only after Cersei essentially ruined everything for - but i would like that ending and think it would salvage a lot of that storyline for me personally. It would be a very interesting theme for them to explore.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:29 pm to ladytiger118
he's talking about danaerys
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:34 pm to ladytiger118
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What will the North and Vale think of Jon once his parentage is revealed?? In the E2 preview Lord Royce says a Targaryen cannot be trusted.
It'll be interesting and a layered onion situation for sure.
You'd still have a "full" Stark with Sansa. Does it give her a bigger leg to stand on in the North? Will it even matter at that point with the way things are progressing? Is there a push for her to be a Queen of the North but to bend the knee to Jon?
Then there's the whole issue of how legitimate Jon is. If we find out that Rhaegar and Lyanna were married (and I tend to think they were), then a part-Stark would have a very good shot at claiming the Throne. That has to be appealing to some degree to the North. That's some serious pull in King's Landing in the grand scheme of things.
And then there's the question of what Dany does. Would Jon be able to seize the throne from Dany with her and her dragons? Or will they look to unite the houses through marriage?
It's just hard to say with so many variables.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:36 pm to BluegrassBelle
Would Bran have the highest claim to the "King of the North" ?
Just wondering, with him returning and all.. Littlefinger may try to have him killed again and gets caught.. And thats where LF meets his demise
Just wondering, with him returning and all.. Littlefinger may try to have him killed again and gets caught.. And thats where LF meets his demise
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