re: Game of Thrones S7 E7 "The Dragon and the Wolf" MAESTERS THREAD NO SPOILERS

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That was as good of a summary as you will find. I think the last we saw was Aegon insisting on leading the march to take Storm's end. We know from an except of The Book That Will Never Come that he was successful in that. I, for one, like to believe Aegon is real.

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Well, of course he's "real" in the novels. The question is - is his parentage what he believes it to be? I kind of thought he was going to get killed/mortally wounded taking Dragonstone and that explains why he isn't in the show.

The prophecy drove Rhaegar to name his son with Elia, "Aegon." After she could produce no more children, he reinterpreted the prophecy and fathered Jon Snow/Aegon2 - now, they both can't be AA/TPTWP. I guess Aegon1 (assuming that's the first child, spared from the Sack of KL, and not a pretender) could be the third head, but if that was true, wouldn't that character exist in the show?

I mean, we're charging into the final act of this - they aren't introducing any new major characters I wouldn't think.

What am I missing?

I'm curious what kind of deal Tyrion made with her.

At this point who is even on her side besides Euron and the Golden company? The Reach and the Westerlands armies bent the knee to Dany after she roasted the Tarley's right? There are no more Frey's. I'm just trying to figure out where she is even getting her strength right now.

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I'm just trying to figure out where she is even getting her strength right now.

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As far as I can tell they have pretty much what's left in KL. Euron leaving should have ended the war and Jaime, Cersei and whoever was loyal to them would have died about 10 minutes later.

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Posted by ladytiger118 on 8/29/17 at 1:22 pm to TigerFanInSouthland I'm curious what kind of deal Tyrion made with her.

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Tyrion offers to make Cerceis child the heir to Danys reign?

Would also explain Tyrions concerned look at Jon and Dany getting together

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It's why I like the FAegon concept but completely understand why they had to remove it from the show.

GRRM just went out of control in the last 2 books. He has introduced 4 Dorne POV characters and 3 POV Iron Island characters. Does anyone give a shite about Areo Hotah, Quentyn Martell, and Aeron Greyjoy? He really needed to simplify it, only add Cersei, Barristan, Brienne, Connington, Asha, and Arienne as POV characters, and keep it simple like the first 3 books

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Aeron is worth it just for the Euron stuff. Although I guess he could have been introduced in Winds.

Quentyn Martell's storyline was just a waste of time.

It's absolutely infuriating how he stopped short of any meaningful plot resolution in ADWD. It's one thing if you leave several major plot lines on cliffhangers. But it's another when you do that and wait 6+ years to publish the next book.

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Tyrion offers to make Cerceis child the heir to Danys reign?

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No way he could make that deal without talking to Daenerys first.

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It doesn't, but it doesn't make much sense that Rhaegar would call both of his children Aegon.

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Well - it does make sense if you recognize and accept he was imperfectly chasing prophecy. Recall that he initially thought he was AA/TPTWP. That's why he pivoted from the arts (his true calling) and dedicated himself to becoming the greatest warrior he could be. Then, he figured out he has missed the mark and that he would not be, but father AA/TPTWP. He again misread the prophecy regarding the dragon having 3 heads - after Aegon Prime was born - (my theory, anyway), when Dany had her vision in the House of the Undying, Rhaegar "saw" her back - he thought that was his daughter in the future (and recall how Dany's perspective of Rhaegar was that he resembled Viserys). and said to Elia. "I thought there would be another - the dragon has three heads" (or words to that effect - I didn't look it up) - and he thought that meant he would have a son and 2 daughters.

So, he immediately went to his mental model of his ancestor, Aegon the Conqueror who came in with 3 dragons, riding 1 alongside his 2 sisters.

When Elia couldn't bear a third child, he knew that was fricked up and pivoted to Lyanna to father "another" Aegon, in this case, The Artists Formerly Known As Jon Snow, or Aegon 2.0 if you like.

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I'm curious what kind of deal Tyrion made with her.

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I want to think that it has something to do with Jaime and getting him out of King's Landing.

Perhaps someone can help me out with this. Maybe I'm just confusing myself.

Cersei tells Jaime that she plans to go back on her word and that Euron is going to retrieve the Golden Company after the meeting with Dany and Jon. This means that a plan was in place to trick Dany into thinking Euron was going back to the Iron Islands before the meeting even occurred. Did Cersei know beforehand that they were bringing a wight, and that this was the opportunity for Euron to make it look like he was fleeing? If so, was Cersei tipped off beforehand that Jon was bringing a wight with him?

I'm thinking that this isn't the case, and that Cersei was just starting to get paranoid that Jaime was going to kill her, so she wanted him out of King's Landing without killing him. I think she told this to Tyrion after he asked if she was pregnant, and the deal was for her to get Jaime to leave by lying about Euron and the Golden Company.

If the next season is only 6 episodes, I'm wondering how they're going to actually bring in the Golden Company ON TOP of the super immediate threat of the White Walkers. Just seems like a stretch.

Maybe the deal was that Cersei wouldn't kill Jaime if it meant Tyrion would lie about knowing the Lannister Army wasn't going to join the fight.


I think just typing this out made me even more unnecessarily confused.

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