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re: Game of Thrones S6:E3 "Oathbreaker" Bookreader Thread
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:12 pm to Tiger1242
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:12 pm to Tiger1242
The show has done a putrid job of talking about Howland Reed,
Dayne, etc. If I'm a Hodor all I take away is some guy with Targaryen armor handling Ned and some Northmen. Besides, that battle isn't what was important, it was what they were fighting for.
Dayne, etc. If I'm a Hodor all I take away is some guy with Targaryen armor handling Ned and some Northmen. Besides, that battle isn't what was important, it was what they were fighting for.
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Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:12 pm to blueboy
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More organically? What the frick does that mean?
Having a character ask something they already know is bad writing. The dialogue in the book is them taunting each other because Ned already knows what is up. Then you end with "Lyanna in her bed of blood."
Instead the chop up the scene to tease this out. That means that D&D have to throw in much worse dialogue to flesh out the backstory.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:12 pm to CorporateTiger
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GRRM's story-telling around TOJ is so much better than what we got tonight.
"WHERE'S LYANNA?" Oh you fricking rode to the middle of nowhere Dorne because you have no clue where she is?
Without that there's no way the non readers would have a clue wtf was going on
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:14 pm to Tiger1242
Just reveal fricking Lyanna... or have the Three-Eyed Raven explain it as an aside to Bran.
They completely butchered some of the best lines in the books.
They completely butchered some of the best lines in the books.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:15 pm to 19
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No Ser.
The Hound is dead. Sandor MFing Clegane lives.
And the hint (admission) just flat out calling ungregor "Gregor" plus a mention of Cersei's pending trial by combat in the next line...
Bring on Clegane Bowl.
I agree with all of this!!! I was giddy that I caught that probable foreshadowing and had to text the other book reader in the room out of excitement and to not alert the non-readers in the room.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:15 pm to CorporateTiger
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So I assume that the show is just dropping the idea that the Three-Eyed Raven is Brynden Blackfyre?
Apparently.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:16 pm to CorporateTiger
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Just reveal fricking Lyanna... or have the Three-Eyed Raven explain it as an aside to Bran.
Im actually with you there, I'm guessing they're going to drag it out a few episodes which blows
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:17 pm to Tiger1242
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Im actually with you there, I'm guessing they're going to drag it out a few episodes which blows
I think they are trying to time it with Jon's storyline as it develops.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:18 pm to PatDyesPants
I honestly think it would be more interesting to see new-Jon through the lens of his actual lineage, but it may be too much for the Hodors.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:18 pm to Tiger1242
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Without that there's no way the non readers would have a clue wtf was going on
Or, you know, they could have left out the question and finished the fricking scene which would have let the drooling Hodors know why past Ned and company were fighting.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:19 pm to Cockopotamus
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Or, you know, they could have left out the question and finished the fricking scene which would have let the drooling Hodors know why past Ned and company were fighting.
Also true.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:20 pm to blueboy
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What a thing for people to harp on.
It's just a line to inform the readers that she's in the tower. He looks up, says "where is my sister" and the audience knows she's up there.
More organically? What the frick does that mean?
I'm sorry, but if I go on a massive pilgrimage somewhere with 6 friends, and I see the thing that I'm after, I'm not going to ask where that something is when it is right in front of my fricking face. You're just going to talk about it, not ask where it is despite the fact you've been on a 5 day road trip to get there. It utterly retarded he asks that question.
If Ned were to ask a question about Lyanna, he should ask them if she is ok, in which they either say she is fine or struggling. Why not ask about her health, particularly since Ned knows she's having a baby? This is much smarter than asking "Where is she" when he knows damn well where she is.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:20 pm to CorporateTiger
Who gives a frick? The TV show is an adaptation from the book. Jesus you guys are melting hard as frick
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:20 pm to PatDyesPants
While we are nick-picking the ToJ scene to death, why wouldn't Ned be carrying Ice to that fight?
This post was edited on 5/8/16 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:20 pm to PatDyesPants
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I think they are trying to time it with Jon's storyline as it develops.
What better timing to reveal that Jon Snow is the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna than the episode he is resurrected AND leaves the Knight's Watch????
Gives that much more weight to each moment
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:21 pm to Cockopotamus
Also just the first paragraph about his friends is really cool.
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In the dream his friends rode with him, as they had in life. Proud Martyn Cassel, Jory’s father; faithful Theo Wull; Ethan Glover, who had been Brandon’s squire; Ser Mark Ryswell, soft of speech and gentle of heart; the crannogman, Howland Reed; Lord Dustin on his great red stallion. Ned had known their faces as well as he knew his own once, but the years leech at a man’s memories, even those he has vowed never to forget. In the dream they were only shadows, grey wraiths on horses made of mist.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:22 pm to CorporateTiger
quote:The viewers barely remember that Ned has a sister, even with the brief mention in the prologue. They haven't read the books and don't automatically know she's in the tower. It's just a dialog device, man. Get over it.
Having a character ask something they already know is bad writing.
quote:Right, because Martin just spent three paragraphs telling you exactly what's up. We know they know, but the TV audience doesn't.
The dialogue in the book is them taunting each other because Ned already knows what is up
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:23 pm to Bamatab
Don't know. I assume he would have gotten it back post-King's Landing. Maybe he was used to another sword at that point and didn't want to switch?
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:25 pm to Cockopotamus
quote:They obviously don't want to reveal that yet. shite, the readers don't know it for sure yet. It's just assumed.
Or, you know, they could have left out the question and finished the fricking scene which would have let the drooling Hodors know why past Ned and company were fighting.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:25 pm to Tiger1242
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Without that there's no way the non readers would have a clue wtf was going on
How about this line of dialogue:
Hightower: Our knees do not bend so easily.
Ned: How is Lyana?
Dayne: Struggling, but we swore a vow.
Isn't that much better? It tells the Hodors that she is in that tower, and doesn't insult our intelligence. If Lyanna were having a baby, then Ned would be concerned about her health that could change at any given moment. That would be a much better way of putting it.
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