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re: Game Of Thrones S5:E10 "Mother's Mercy" BOOK READER THREAD
Posted on 6/15/15 at 9:48 pm to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 6/15/15 at 9:48 pm to LoveThatMoney
Amen to all of that.
If Jon is dead then it is some of the worst writing ever.
If Jon is dead then it is some of the worst writing ever.
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 9:49 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Okay, you can all jump out of my arse now.
Tha frick? Cannae was during the Second Punic War, baw. Julius Caesar wouldn't be born for another 100 years after that war ended. It's safe to say that all participants of the Battle of Cannae (216 B.C.) were dead long before the Ides of March, some 172 years later (44 B.C.).
Posted on 6/15/15 at 9:55 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Well if Barristan is still alive does Dany take Tyrion into her confidence so quickly(people seem to like them meeting up quicker) and is Jorah able to make a end road in gaining her trust back?
Why wouldn't he? Selmy barely knows tyrion. But he would've heard how he helped the defense of King Landing and that Vary's trusted him. You know the same man that got him to dany in the first place
Posted on 6/15/15 at 9:59 pm to OMLandshark
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Plus not to mention their motives. I can say pretty safely that the single last thing Oberyn would have wanted upon his death is for his girlfriend to murder an innocent little girl who has nothing to do with the conflict. Haven't seen enough talk about it in this thread, but frick Ellara and the Sand Snakes too (the youngest maybe literally). Just a bunch of mindless heathens who go around butchering children on a whim.
Agreed. Oberyn died in single combat, single combat that he frickING VOLUNTEERED for, and he was the one who frickING CHEATED and he got the revenge he was looking for.
They're a bunch of butt hurt little count trying to start a war when they don't even know the meaning of the word
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:04 pm to CottonWasKing
How did the bolton army know Stannis was approaching?
And how was the army so big?
Did his sellswords ditch him and turn heel to the boltons?
And how was the army so big?
Did his sellswords ditch him and turn heel to the boltons?
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:07 pm to rondo
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Did his sellswords ditch him and turn heel to the boltons?
that is what I assumed since most of the Bolton host was on horseback now and they mentioned that Stannis outnumbered them on horseback to begin with.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:10 pm to rondo
quote:Probably had scouts.
How did the bolton army know Stannis was approaching?
quote:I think they have a large army. They were a large part of Robb's host.
And how was the army so big?
quote:I don't think so. I think they just left. None of that was in the books.
Did his sellswords ditch him and turn heel to the boltons?
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:17 pm to rondo
this was the Bolton army after they crossed Moat Cailin:
+ some frey reinforcements. Bolton has always been stacked
+ some frey reinforcements. Bolton has always been stacked
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 6/15/15 at 10:33 pm to CottonWasKing
Agreed. I much preferred the book storyline of using Myrcella to claim the throne for Dorne than this shitshow they put forward.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:25 pm to Aubie Spr96
So is Jon dead in the books? WTF!!! Goddamnit!! Is he one of the ice people now?
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:29 pm to abellsujr
quote:That's how the books left it, but is anyone really dead when the Red Witch is around?
So is Jon dead in the books? WTF!!! Goddamnit!! Is he one of the ice people now?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:07 am to La Place Mike
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:08 am to NWHoustonTiger
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does anyone believe the situation with Jon Snow is the reason why WoW has not been published? If the plan is to resurrect Jon, wouldn't HBO want that to be the "big reveal" in season 6 or 7?
No. The books are >>> than the series. What you are saying is that GRRM is holding off on releasing the books so that the show can spoil this cliffhanger for the readers.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:27 am to ffishstik
I'm gonna put this article here also. Maybe some of the book readers can help me out.
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Well, that pretty much settles it. Fans watched in horror during the Sunday, June 14 Game of Thrones finale, as everyone’s favorite member of the Night’s Watch, Jon Snow (Kit Harington), took stab after stab before finally getting knifed in the heart.
The curly-haired hunk then fell to the ground as blood pooled around him. Basically, he wasn’t having the best of days. But devoted fans of both George R.R. Martin’s Song of Ice and Fire book series and the hit HBO show weren’t entirely convinced that Snow was officially dead, especially considering the books left things a little more subjective.
But GoT director David Nutter set the record straight — as far as his HBO series goes — in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter on June 15, saying point-blank, “Jon Snow is dead.” Nutter went on to praise British star Harington, describing his last day on set.
“He is a consummate professional,” the director told THR. “It wasn’t unlike the Red Wedding where everyone gets attached to people when you work with them for such a long time. You really grow quite fond of each other. You’re family. It was a lot of sadness on set… I took all of the extras aside prior to shooting the sequence and we read the Night's Watch creed together, because I wanted them to feel like they are part of it. Without them being involved, it wouldn't have worked as well. I wanted the scene to happen rather quickly, where it didn't hang at all. That it would happen before you know it.”
And Snow’s death wasn’t the only thing that shocked fans in the Season 5 finale. The episode also marked Cersei Lannister’s brutal, naked walk of shame — a scene that required a body double and took three days to film. Nutter admitted he was most anxious about filming the queen regent’s painful penance.
“I was on pins and needles about wanting to get it right because Lena Headey and I are friends and I think she’s such a great talent,” he said of the British actress. “It wanted it to turn out wonderful. Wonderful probably isn’t the best word, but I wanted it to turn out right.”
Headey defended her character to Entertainment Weekly, noting, “Cersei has done wrong, but she doesn’t really deserve this.”
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 1:29 am
Posted on 6/16/15 at 2:11 am to abellsujr
It's a giant head fake.
Kit will be back next season. They trying to troll us on Jon Snow but the story is based on him & Dany. Technically Snow is dead but you just happen to have Mel at the Wall to bring him back.
Kit will be back next season. They trying to troll us on Jon Snow but the story is based on him & Dany. Technically Snow is dead but you just happen to have Mel at the Wall to bring him back.
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 2:12 am
Posted on 6/16/15 at 2:14 am to alajones
Jamie in books 4&5 was more Ned than Tywin. Tywin was a piece of shite.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 5:54 am to abellsujr
Of course he's dead. He has to die to get out of his Night's Watch vows that last until he does die. That way they can keep narrative tension whether he will marry and/or do all the things the vows prohibit.
If you read all of that Nutter interview, he specifically punts to D&D on the question of whether the death is "final":
Access Hollywood Article
If you read all of that Nutter interview, he specifically punts to D&D on the question of whether the death is "final":
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For those who may be hoping that Jon Snow's death isn't final, especially with the arrival of The Red Priestess, Melisandre, at The Wall, Nutter said that question should go to the show's executive producers – David Benioff and Dan Weiss.
"That's more of a probably Dan and David question, but I will say this -- that his death is un-refutable and his death is one that is not gonna be easy to – this isn't like the egg that fell off the wall and cracked himself, this will be a very powerful one. There'll be no question if he's dead or not," Nutter said.
Access Hollywood Article
Posted on 6/16/15 at 6:14 am to abellsujr
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So is Jon dead in the books? WTF!!! Goddamnit!! Is he one of the ice people now?
Book readers have known he has been dead for going on 5 years. I have yet to run into a book reader that thinks he stays dead. The books have spent way too much time hinting at Jon's past, and his destiny to all of a sudden kill him off permanently. If GRRM doesn't plan to bring him back then it's either the worst storytelling from a major author in history, or the biggest troll job in literary history.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:02 am to Bamatab
To me, it seems kind of embarrassing for the show runners how they keep trotting actors and directors out with lame answers to try to keep up the "he's really really really dead" thing.
Harrington and John Bradley (who plays Sam) ran through the basic theories and when it came down to Melissandre they really didn't have a good answer:
Vulture Article
Huh? Proximity? Didn't she just ride into Castle Black?
Harrington and John Bradley (who plays Sam) ran through the basic theories and when it came down to Melissandre they really didn't have a good answer:
quote:
2. Red priestess intervention. Thoros of Myr was able to resurrect Beric Dondarrion, so shouldn't Melisandre have similar abilities? And couldn't she use a win at this point? "If I was Melisandre's campaign adviser, her spin doctor, if I were in her ear advising her, I would say, 'You killed a child. Bring Jon Snow back, and you might get the people back on your side,'" Bradley said. "She's magic. She can do anything she wants." The problem is proximity, however, so Bradley judges this one as "impossible."
Vulture Article
Huh? Proximity? Didn't she just ride into Castle Black?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:42 am to Methuselah
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He has to die to get out of his Night's Watch vows that last until he does die.
Agreed. Azor Azhai has bigger fish to fry than to be, merely, LC of the Night's Watch.
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